Trying To Make Money On Big Brown Today...

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, he didn't finish strong. a front runner finally ran out of gas before the wire, benefitting big brown tremendously. talk about being in the right place at the right time.
and the gallop out many times is overrated. you do know horses never win a dime for winning the gallop out?

The internet is a wonderful and funny thing. People read something and immediately jump on the bandwagon.
It is in vogue to call Big Brown's performance bad... A little due diligence provides a different story however.

Haskell 2008

1st call 46.59 (Second fastest in last 10 years)
2nd call 110.85 (5th fastest)
Final 148.31 (3rd fastest)

Come Home 37.46 (2nd fastest Not counting 2 lengths that Big Brown was behind at the half)

Beyer of 106 compares to Big Browns best...

How is this a bad performance ???

Coal Play ran the race of his life in setting the table for Cool Coal man who didn't deliver.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by jms62

The internet is a wonderful and funny thing. People read something and immediately jump on the bandwagon.
It is in vogue to call Big Brown's performance bad... A little due diligence provides a different story however.

Haskell 2008

1st call 46.59 (Second fastest in last 10 years)
2nd call 110.85 (5th fastest)
Final 148.31 (3rd fastest)

Come Home 37.46 (2nd fastest Not counting 2 lengths that Big Brown was behind at the half)

Beyer of 106 compares to Big Browns best...

How is this a bad performance ???

Coal Play ran the race of his life in setting the table for Cool Coal man who didn't deliver.

Thank you for your voice of reason! We have some real big brown haters on this site.. and he could win the Breeders Cup this year and people (especially Danzig) will still talk ****.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Thank you for your voice of reason! We have some real big brown haters on this site.. and he could win the Breeders Cup this year and people (especially Danzig) will still talk ****.

i don't hate big brown. but i don't see that he's that good either. since i don't worship the straw he walks on, i'm a hater? since i was more impressed with races earlier this year, i'm talking ****?

funny that those who agree with someone are a voice of reason, but others with a different point of view are just haters.

[Gander]

I'm hardly a fan of Big Brown, I actually think the whole story stinks.
But I think he did very well to win this race. He could have easily given up but he grinded it out and won a 750K race. Wow, I wish I had the intuition to cheat people out of their money so I could buy a horse like this.

The Travers is coming up real weak. I dont think hes avoiding any of these cows. Its more of a timing thing and it makes total sense. Why rush a horse back to run in a glorified Grade 3 against crows hes already crushed?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Gander

I'm hardly a fan of Big Brown, I actually think the whole story stinks.
But I think he did very well to win this race. He could have easily given up but he grinded it out and won a 750K race. Wow, I wish I had the intuition to cheat people out of their money so I could buy a horse like this.

The Travers is coming up real weak. I dont think hes avoiding any of these cows. Its more of a timing thing and it makes total sense. Why rush a horse back to run in a glorified Grade 3 against crows hes already crushed?

exactly... eventhough it was a 1 million dollar race!

who the hell would he avoid in the Travers? Hes beaten basically all the colts in his division already... save Harlem Rocker who I really doubt scares dutrow all that much.

[Gander]

If Harlem Rocker runs to all the hype, he will win the Travers under a hand ride. You can forget about getting a price on him. Mambo in Seattle is the other logical horse who is the up and comer, but may be an underlay in a race crying out for a bomb. I'm glad Pletcher ran Atoned in the Haskell (and not the Travers) because if he was in the Travers, I would have taken a huge shot with him. Man, he ran terrible. Stop like he had a piano dropped on him.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Anybody Think Frank S Will Bring Down A Good One..from Canada..

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Gander

If Harlem Rocker runs to all the hype, he will win the Travers under a hand ride. You can forget about getting a price on him. Mambo in Seattle is the other logical horse who is the up and comer, but may be an underlay in a race crying out for a bomb. I'm glad Pletcher ran Atoned in the Haskell (and not the Travers) because if he was in the Travers, I would have taken a huge shot with him. Man, he ran terrible. Stop like he had a piano dropped on him.

So you are basically saying it finally dawned on you that Atoned is GROSSLY overrated.. Hopefully it didn't cost too much to come to that conclusion.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by jms62

So you are basically saying it finally dawned on you that Atoned is GROSSLY overrated.. Hopefully it didn't cost too much to come to that conclusion.

No, I said I would have bet Atoned in the Travers, not the Haskell against Big Brown. I just cant bet on or against Big Brown, not since the Derby.
And I never thought he was talented, but he would have fit really well in the Travers against what will be a bunch of Grade 3 horses, which is what Atoned is. Overrated? Maybe. But isnt Pyro also very overrated? And Z Fortune? So too Court Vision? At least Atoned may have been a price.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Gander

. I'm glad Pletcher ran Atoned in the Haskell (and not the Travers) because if he was in the Travers, I would have taken a huge shot with him. Man, he ran terrible. Stop like he had a piano dropped on him.

Methinks 'blinkers on' did not help this fellow. Look for 'blinkers off' next out.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Gander

I'm hardly a fan of Big Brown, I actually think the whole story stinks.
But I think he did very well to win this race. He could have easily given up but he grinded it out and won a 750K race. Wow, I wish I had the intuition to cheat people out of their money so I could buy a horse like this.

The Travers is coming up real weak. I dont think hes avoiding any of these cows. Its more of a timing thing and it makes total sense. Why rush a horse back to run in a glorified Grade 3 against crows hes already crushed?

it's not that it's a bunch of cows, so much as it is that big brown didn't finish two races back, and in this race was all out to beat a horse who is much less than those heading for the travers. had he not struggled on sunday, i think they would have considered the travers, and then train up to the bcc. i really think iavarone would have liked to showcase his colt at saratoga, but doesn't feel a lot of confidence based on how big brown ran on sunday.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's not that it's a bunch of cows, so much as it is that big brown didn't finish two races back, and in this race was all out to beat a horse who is much less than those heading for the travers. had he not struggled on sunday, i think they would have considered the travers, and then train up to the bcc. i really think iavarone would have liked to showcase his colt at saratoga, but doesn't feel a lot of confidence based on how big brown ran on sunday.

His owners never considered the Travers. It was Dutrow who so badly wanted to run in the Travers and either way, its a moot point now.
I'm glad hes not coming. The hype would be annoying and obnoxious.

[smuthg]

How can Dutrow in his right mind even think of comparing Big Brown to Curlin...

I must have missed the quote "Curlin's never been out of the money, and Big Brown ran DFL in the biggest race of his life..."

http://www.drf.com/news/article/97017.html

[Gander]

I dont think its fair to say Big Brown is or isnt a great horse based on 1 bad day. And its not inconceivable to think he could have finished 3rd or 4th in the Belmont had Desormeaux not pulled him up.
Big Brown won 2 legs of the Triple Crown, and Curlin only 1. At least he didnt let a girl beat him. Big Brown would have walloped that field Curlin beat in Dubai, I dont think thats arguable.
Both very accomplished horsies. They'll never meet so any argument is moot and can never be proved. Also both owned by people I know I wouldnt trust with $5.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Gander

I dont think its fair to say Big Brown is or isnt a great horse based on 1 bad day.

It isnt that he had one bad day, its that his wins were nothing you would file under the category of great. Big Brown has done nothing that could be called great, in any of his races.

[Gander]

You dont think he could have beat that World Cup field? Can you even name another horse in the race? Trolling?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I know you're just trolling, but this is pretty amusing. Big Brown would have won in Dubai? I laughed, a lot.

Yeah....and that Big Brown didnt get beat by an icky girl. Most likely Curlin lost because he didnt want to run by her and get kooties.