red sox alert

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Bad day for Sox fans. Get killed by Angels again, Yankees win, get Pudge and get rid of Farnsworth.

Is that a good thing for them? Molina is now a far better defensive catcher and has anyone really looked at the Yankee lineup and thought their problems came from not getting enough offensive production out of the catcher spot? And knock Farnsworth all you want, I'd take him in the playoffs over most. What I remember most about the Yankees that actually won championships was the bullpen. Not the overpaid, former steroid stars that are now a shell of their former selves.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Is that a good thing for them? Molina is now a far better defensive catcher and has anyone really looked at the Yankee lineup and thought their problems came from not getting enough offensive production out of the catcher spot? And knock Farnsworth all you want, I'd take him in the playoffs over most. What I remember most about the Yankees that actually won championships was the bullpen. Not the overpaid, former steroid stars that are now a shell of their former selves.

Rodriguez is still a good catcher, is a far superior hitter to Molina and has extensive playoff experience. Molina is a back up period. There is a reason that Rodriguez's teams always win. Farnsworth is not a trusted pitcher. He is average at best and shaky in his last 2. Pitchers like him are easily replaceable (just look at Oakland's bullpen) but players with Rodriguez experience arent readily available. When has Farnsworth been better than a league average 7th inning guy?

BTW - Think the Mets wish they had signed Loshe?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Rodriguez is still a good catcher, is a far superior hitter to Molina and has extensive playoff experience. Molina is a back up period. There is a reason that Rodriguez's teams always win. Farnsworth is not a trusted pitcher. He is average at best and shaky in his last 2. Pitchers like him are easily replaceable (just look at Oakland's bullpen) but players with Rodriguez experience arent readily available. When has Farnsworth been better than a league average 7th inning guy?

BTW - Think the Mets wish they had signed Loshe?

Lohse still sucks, just a hot stretch right now. The starters have been fine, it is the bullpen that is killing them.

[the_fat_man]

After sitting on their asses, management decides that the BEST MOVE they can make is trading Manny for Jason Bay.

what a ****in' JOKE!!!!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

After sitting on their asses, management decides that the BEST MOVE they can make is trading Manny for Jason Bay.

what a ****in' JOKE!!!!

Jason Bay is a good player. I dont think this is a bad move, in fact it is probably a good move for them especially considering manny's attitude. Look at the numbers this year.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Jason Bay is a good player. I dont think this is a bad move, in fact it is probably a good move for them especially considering manny's attitude. Look at the numbers this year.

Agreed, if they can do Manny for Bay and not have to give up any prospects it is a fantastic deal. Bay is as good as Manny now and will be an all star for years to come.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Agreed, if they can do Manny for Bay and not have to give up any prospects it is a fantastic deal. Bay is as good as Manny now and will be an all star for years to come.

And he wont intentionally strike out either

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Jason Bay is a good player. I dont think this is a bad move, in fact it is probably a good move for them especially considering manny's attitude. Look at the numbers this year.

Looks like Manny heading to Dodgers now?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Looks like Manny heading to Dodgers now?

Aren't we passed the deadline? The Mets would have to be crazy to let Manny clear waivers to be able to be traded after the deadline.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Lohse still sucks, just a hot stretch right now. The starters have been fine, it is the bullpen that is killing them.

Pedro looks real old and Maine is hurt. Loshe is a better pitcher than you give him credit for and he is durable which is something that teams need right about now.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pedro looks real old and Maine is hurt. Loshe is a better pitcher than you give him credit for and he is durable which is something that teams need right about now.

At one year $4.25 million he is a great deal. Boras wanted 4 years - $40 million from the Mets though which is way too much for a guy that has never had an ERA under 4.18 and was coming off two pretty terrible years. At the time I'm sure they were also expecting more than 0 starts from El Duque. I thought him and Pedro would at least get us close to a season combined.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

At one year $4.25 million he is a great deal. Boras wanted 4 years - $40 million from the Mets though which is way too much for a guy that has never had an ERA under 4.18 and was coming off two pretty terrible years. At the time I'm sure they were also expecting more than 0 starts from El Duque. I thought him and Pedro would at least get us close to a season combined.

I bet you Minaya wishes now that he was paying Loshe 40 million over 4 years as opposed to the 4 year 25 million contract that he gave to Castillio. Just awful!

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I bet you Minaya wishes now that he was paying Loshe 40 million over 4 years as opposed to the 4 year 25 million contract that he gave to Castillio. Just awful!

That one never made any sense to me.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

At one year $4.25 million he is a great deal. Boras wanted 4 years - $40 million from the Mets though which is way too much for a guy that has never had an ERA under 4.18 and was coming off two pretty terrible years. At the time I'm sure they were also expecting more than 0 starts from El Duque. I thought him and Pedro would at least get us close to a season combined.

I used to think Omar Minaya was a move up off of Phillips. I am starting to wonder.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I used to think Omar Minaya was a move up off of Phillips. I am starting to wonder.

This offseason will be a big one for him. They are free of Pedro, Alou, and El Duque and should have about $45 million to spend if they bring back Delgado. If they buy him out for $4 million then they should have $50 million to play with. Unfortunately at that point their #4 starter will be a guy in AAA with a 5.00+ ERA. If they resign Oliver he'll take up a decent chunk of that $45 million and they'll still need a fifth starter, tons of bullpen help, and likely another OF. If he blows this offseason then it's time to move on. No one can be worse than Phillips though, Kazmir for Victor Zambrano trumps all.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Rodriguez is still a good catcher, is a far superior hitter to Molina and has extensive playoff experience. Molina is a back up period. There is a reason that Rodriguez's teams always win. Farnsworth is not a trusted pitcher. He is average at best and shaky in his last 2. Pitchers like him are easily replaceable (just look at Oakland's bullpen) but players with Rodriguez experience arent readily available. When has Farnsworth been better than a league average 7th inning guy?

BTW - Think the Mets wish they had signed Loshe?

It is a very good trade for the Yanks. Don't forget that they tried to almost give Farnsworth away last year with no avail. Now at least they got someone who can contribute to the team. Molina is a good backup, but he isn't the answer for a team trying to make a run.