AW on NY agenda

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by DogsUp

Oh, this would be a sad moment in racing. Synthetics have their place...but they do not belong everywhere. *SIGH*

I think lots of horseman would welcome poly/synthetic track instead of the Inner at the Big A.. The winter is rough and poly has to be easier to maintain. Having a track that is good shape to train and race on all winter isn't too bad an idea. So much money is spent opening and closing and harrowing tracks in the winter. it's a lot of work and it comes at a huge cost. Do you really love that inner biasis towards speed? Plus maybe they can have the main Aqueduct track open a tad bit earlier they already are racing on the turf two weeks before they used too with the advent of the plastic wrap

Agenda is the appropriate word.

[GPK]

I think Saratoga Harness track would benefit a great deal from an AW weather track. Lets do it!!!!!

[Cannon Shell]

Polytracks are fine during wet weather but are not very good in really cold weather.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Polytracks are fine during wet weather but are not very good in really cold weather.

Define really cold it averages about 37 degrees in NY..Sure there are 5 degree days but thery are as often as 45 degree days.. Isn't Tapeta suppose to be well suited for cold at least that is what Sir Dickenson told me

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Define really cold it averages about 37 degrees in NY..Sure there are 5 degree days but thery are as often as 45 degree days.. Isn't Tapeta suppose to be well suited for cold at least that is what Sir Dickenson told me

And what of the windchill? It is Aqueduct. Synthetic tracks are designed to hold lots of water. When it is under 32 degrees, water freezes. When you cant put water on the track it gets way too loose. When you put water in at cold temperatures, it freezes and balls up. Hence the issue with cold and synthetic.

And I never believed any thing MD said when he was training, why should it be any different now?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And what of the windchill? It is Aqueduct. Synthetic tracks are designed to hold lots of water. When it is under 32 degrees, water freezes. When you cant put water on the track it gets way too loose. When you put water in at cold temperatures, it freezes and balls up. Hence the issue with cold and synthetic.

And I never believed any thing MD said when he was training, why should it be any different now?

Would a knight lie?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Would a knight lie?

A lie is not a lie if you believe it to be true...

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And what of the windchill? It is Aqueduct. Synthetic tracks are designed to hold lots of water. When it is under 32 degrees, water freezes. When you cant put water on the track it gets way too loose. When you put water in at cold temperatures, it freezes and balls up. Hence the issue with cold and synthetic.

And I never believed any thing MD said when he was training, why should it be any different now?

salt water?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

salt water?

I like the thought.. maybe Epsom Salt water that may help take the sting out of the horses feet?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And what of the windchill?

Wind chill is a figure meant to estimate heat being taken away from a living endothermic body; the wind doesn't actually change the air temperature.

That said, air temperature is usually measured a few feet above the ground, so the ground can be a couple of degrees colder than the air temperature.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled synthetic track discussion.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Wind chill is a figure meant to estimate heat being taken away from a living endothermic body; the wind doesn't actually change the air temperature.

That said, air temperature is usually measured a few feet above the ground, so the ground can be a couple of degrees colder than the air temperature.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled synthetic track discussion.

I think that Polytrack is considered a living endothermic body according to the Bid.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I think lots of horseman would welcome poly/synthetic track instead of the Inner at the Big A.. The winter is rough and poly has to be easier to maintain. Having a track that is good shape to train and race on all winter isn't too bad an idea. So much money is spent opening and closing and harrowing tracks in the winter. it's a lot of work and it comes at a huge cost. Do you really love that inner biasis towards speed? Plus maybe they can have the main Aqueduct track open a tad bit earlier they already are racing on the turf two weeks before they used too with the advent of the plastic wrap

I always thought that, if NYRA was going to do a racing surface in synthetic, the Aqueduct main track would be the way to go. You could eliminate the inner dirt track (and create a wider turf course), and also allow for 7F and one-turn mile races during the winter, as opposed to the 6F or two-turn situation that we see with the inner.

If the potentially cold weather would be a problem at Aqueduct, why would it any less of a problem on the Belmont training track?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I always thought that, if NYRA was going to do a racing surface in synthetic, the Aqueduct main track would be the way to go. You could eliminate the inner dirt track (and create a wider turf course), and also allow for 7F and one-turn mile races during the winter, as opposed to the 6F or two-turn situation that we see with the inner.

If the potentially cold weather would be a problem at Aqueduct, why would it any less of a problem on the Belmont training track?

Although I am sure sir Simon is speaking from some past history and experience I am sure that Synthetics of some sort will work out fine once the right formula is worked out. I agree that might make some sense.. I have always thought the inner meet was a step child and I wouldn't screw with the main track but I guess you could.. Andy would know best what is on NYRA's mind... anyway they have no money so it is all BS for now

[the_fat_man]

'TURFlike' racing in the dead of winter in NY. Where do I sign up?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

'TURFlike' racing in the dead of winter in NY. Where do I sign up?

I agree it is less then ideal.. Consider that horseman need a reliable track to condition their stock.. When the weather is really bad how can they do this? Plus NYRA losses a lot of dates when it's a rough winter so the alternative to Turflike racing is perhaps no racing at all. Most of the high powered barns and owners are following the sun so the only people who do suffer are the few that really can't afford to ship to warmer climates. Other then closing it down for 100 days a year it kind of makes some sense to mitigate the weather of winter and race on something synthetic.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I agree it is less then ideal.. Consider that horseman need a reliable track to condition their stock.. When the weather is really bad how can they do this? Plus NYRA losses a lot of dates when it's a rough winter so the alternative to Turflike racing is perhaps no racing at all. Most of the high powered barns and owners are following the sun so the only people who do suffer are the few that really can't afford to ship to warmer climates. Other then closing it down for 100 days a year it kind of makes some sense to mitigate the weather of winter and race on something synthetic.

There is a better shot of the fat Man sliming down and riding on the inner track as a 10 pound bug than there is of NYRA shutting down in the winter. The NY breeders would start jumping off the Throgs neck bridge in protest.