Discreet Treasure

[blackthroatedwind]

I will be surprised to see this horse win another race on the dirt provided the track is fast. If anything, he will prove a turf horse. First of all, you have to assume that a half to Discreet Cat would not have been entered on the turf for its debut if the connections really felt he was a dirt horse. Also, look at him, he's a grey which probably means he takes after his sire, El Prado, more than his dam which makes him more likely to be a turf horse.

I hope this horse makes his second start on the dirt at Saratoga, and the track is dry, so I can bet against him with confidence.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I will be surprised to see this horse win another race on the dirt provided the track is fast. If anything, he will prove a turf horse. First of all, you have to assume that a half to Discreet Cat would not have been entered on the turf for its debut if the connections really felt he was a dirt horse. Also, look at him, he's a grey which probably means he takes after his sire, El Prado, more than his dam which makes him more likely to be a turf horse.

I hope this horse makes his second start on the dirt at Saratoga, and the track is dry, so I can bet against him with confidence.

I completely dont get the bolded.
Need some help. Because he is the same color as his sire,
he must be more like his sire in other ways also?

Is that what this means?

If so, it is horribly wrong, even with the probably.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Also, look at him, he's a grey which probably means he takes after his sire, El Prado, more than his dam which makes him more likely to be a turf horse.

Did you have to spoil your valid points with a silly comment like that?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Did you have to spoil your valid points with a silly comment like that?

Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it silly.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Even the dosage index people will mock you on this one.

Please link me to someone who does understand it - and let me read their explanation and evidence.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Even the dosage index people will mock you on this one.

Please link me to someone who does understand it - and let me read their explanation and evidence.

Plenty of people will agree with what I posted, which doesn't make it right, but I guess I have to admit that your position is strengthened by the support from one of the most clueless posters on this site.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Plenty of people will agree with what I posted, which doesn't making it right, but I guess I have to admit that your position is strengthened by the support from one of the most clueless posters on this site.

I couldn't care less who agrees or disagrees.

I've been around way too long and looked at way too many horses and pedigrees to buy into something like that - and I'm shocked beyond belief you seem to buy into it to some extent.

The examples could go on for hundreds of pages.

Look at a horse like Kip Deville - who's like the consensus top turf horse in the land right now. He's a Roan.

KD's sire Kipling is a bay and his dam Klondike Kaytie is a roan.

He took after his dam in color. She was 17-for-47 lifetime in dirt sprints, 3-for-13 lifetime in dirt routes, and never once hit the board in 3 career turf starts. Her figures were much better on dirt - and her siblings all failed in their turf races.

He didn't take after his sires color - but his sire was 2-for-5 on turf, 3-for-22 on dirt, and bred for turf on top and bottom.

[blackthroatedwind]

Using a horse that is basically a freak to back up your side of the argument really strengths your case.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Look at a horse like Kip Deville - who's like the consensus top turf horse in the land right now. He's a Roan.

KD's sire Kipling is a bay and his dam Klondike Kaytie is a roan.

Kip Deville and his dam, Klondike Kaytie are both grey, not roan. Most any thoroughbred that people would say are roan, are probably a chestnut with sabino or rabicano markings that make them look roan or they are just grey.

However, I am baffled by the statement about Discreet Treasure taking on El Prado's grey gene having anything to do with him being a turf horse. I always thought that would have to do more with his foot size and shape and the way he travels.

I actually called a few people I know that breed and that work for some major farms, and nobody could give me a real answer though. Some thought it was non-sense, while some thought maybe it could have some truth to it. Maybe someone going for a PHD can take a look at it and have a nice thesis project...