Pacific Classic

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

My top turf horses in the US right now are

1) Gorella
2) Showing Up
3) Cacique
4) English Channel

Now you could always Flip Flop 3 and 4. But when you make all things equal, I think that Gorella is the best turf horse right now. Kind of like the best pound per pund turf horse so to speak.

WOW....OK....I love Gorella...I really do...but she had the PERFECT set up on Saturday. Put her in the Arlington Million and let her lolly gag in the back of the field and let her try closing into those fractions....No way....she doesnt finish top 5 in that race.

Showing UP...I have no idea....until he faces olders...still up in the air.

Cacique over EC?? Cacique has finished in front of EC 2 times:

1st time: Manhattan...MY God EB...have you seen the fractions they ran in that race???? 1/2 in :51......3/4 1:16.60.....1 mile in 1:40...EC was also carry 2 more lbs that day and was beaten a 1/2 length. 2lbs equates to more than 1/2 length over the distance of a 1 1/4 race.

2nd time: Arlington Million...not quite as slow as the Manhattan, but EC was 3 wide the entire race vs 2 wide for Cacique. You are intelligent enough to know that 2 wide vs. 3 wide for a race of that distance is a HUGE difference.

EC has 3 wins from 5 starts this year...with 2 grade 1's
Cacique has 1 win from 5 starts this year...with 1 grade 1.

Originally Posted by GPK

WOW....OK....I love Gorella...I really do...but she had the PERFECT set up on Saturday. Put her in the Arlington Million and let her lolly gag in the back of the field and let her try closing into those fractions....No way....she doesnt finish top 5 in that race.

Showing UP...I have no idea....until he faces olders...still up in the air.

Cacique over EC?? Cacique has finished in front of EC 2 times:

1st time: Manhattan...MY God EB...have you seen the fractions they ran in that race???? 1/2 in :51......3/4 1:16.60.....1 mile in 1:40...EC was also carry 2 more lbs that day and was beaten a 1/2 length. 2lbs equates to more than 1/2 length over the distance of a 1 1/4 race.

2nd time: Arlington Million...not quite as slow as the Manhattan, but EC was 3 wide the entire race vs 2 wide for Cacique. You are intelligent enough to know that 2 wide vs. 3 wide for a race of that distance is a HUGE difference.

EC has 3 wins from 5 starts this year...with 2 grade 1's
Cacique has 1 win from 5 starts this year...with 1 grade 1.

Like I said, making everything equal, Gorella is the best turf horse right now. You just can pick one race out and give that as an example. That isnt fair. You have to look at the entire resume. I also dont use weight as an excuse as to why a horse doesnt win unless the weight is absurd (5 lbs or more). And i also said you could flip flop numbers 3 and 4. But I truly believe that Cacique has more upswing that English Channel.

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

Like I said, making everything equal, Gorella is the best turf horse right now. You just can pick one race out and give that as an example. That isnt fair. You have to look at the entire resume. I also dont use weight as an excuse as to why a horse doesnt win unless the weight is absurd (5 lbs or more). And i also said you could flip flop numbers 3 and 4. But I truly believe that Cacique has more upswing that English Channel.

The same Gorella that finished 5th behind EC in the Woodford Reserve?

Originally Posted by GPK

The same Gorella that finished 5th behind EC in the Woodford Reserve?

Yes. Again, you have to make everything equal here GPK. Just like when people said the Roy Jones Jr is the best lb per lb fighter, Gorella is the best lb for lb turf horse right now.

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

Yes. Again, you have to make everything equal here GPK. Just like when people said the Roy Jones Jr is the best lb per lb fighter, Gorella is the best lb for lb turf horse right now.

what are you basing that on...I know its your opinion strictly...but what are you basing that opinion on?