Two Bozos in one week! Helms dead..

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You may be right. He only called him "vile and hate-filled". Just because he thinks that Helms is "vile and hate-filled", it doesn't mean that he thinks he's "evil".

Helms was not a politician. He stated his views rather clearly.
And he got elected over and over. Personally I would say he
was one of the least patriotic modern day Senators ever, pure intolerance.
But at least he let you know he believed in a very diff. sort of America.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Helms was not a politician. He stated his views rather clearly.
And he got elected over and over. Personally I would say he
was one of the least patriotic modern day Senators ever, pure intolerance.
But at least he let you know he believed in a very diff. sort of America.

Why would you say he was not patriotic? By the way, I am not an expert on Helms. I don't know that much about him. I can't say for sure that he wasn't a racist.

But in general, I am always hearing people accuse conservatives of being racists and most of the time the accusations are completely unfounded. Just because a person is against affirmative action, etc., that doesn't make them a racist. In fact, you could argue the exact opposite.

If Helms was such a racist, why did he have a black press secretary?

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Why would you say he was not patriotic? By the way, I am not an expert on Helms. I don't know that much about him. I can't say for sure that he wasn't a racist.

But in general, I am always hearing people accuse conservatives of being racists and most of the time the accusations are completely unfounded. Just because a person is against affirmative action, etc., that doesn't make them a racist. In fact, you could argue the exact opposite.

If Helms was such a racist, why did he have a black press secretary?

Well, to cover the Black press...of course.








( it's him----right?)

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Well, to cover the Black press...of course.








( it's him----right?)

I don't think Helms cared about the black press. He knew he wasn't going to get the black vote. There was no reason for him to appease the black press.

Pgardn said, "Helms was not a politician. He stated his views rather clearly."

If Pgardn is right, then Helms would not have been the kind of guy to hire a black press secretary for political reasons. He must have hired the guy because he thought he was the best guy for the job. Someone who will hire the best person for the job, regardless of race, is not a racist.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't think Helms cared about the black press. He knew he wasn't going to get the black vote. There was no reason for him to appease the black press.

Pgardn said, "Helms was not a politician. He stated his views rather clearly."

If Pgardn is right, then Helms would not have been the kind of guy to hire a black press secretary for political reasons. He must have hired the guy because he thought he was the best guy for the job. Someone who will hire the best person for the job, regardless of race, is not a racist.

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[Mortimer]

POPKINS!!








You are carrying manifest destiny a little too far!

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

1. Why would you say he was not patriotic? By the way, I am not an expert on Helms. I don't know that much about him. I can't say for sure that he wasn't a racist.

But in general, I am always hearing people accuse conservatives of being racists and most of the time the accusations are completely unfounded. Just because a person is against affirmative action, etc., that doesn't make them a racist. In fact, you could argue the exact opposite.

If Helms was such a racist, why did he have a black press secretary?

1. Because his voting record and stances indicate intolerance towards democracy and what the United States means in imo.

And he said exactly what he felt. He did not attempt
to persuade or dissuade. He was asked numerous times on the record
after making some very intolerant statements if he wished to retract.
He wanted no retractions.

He was a senator for a very long time and the record is there for
anyone to see. I agree that racist is very over used. I have not used it.
I would say he shows a great deal of intolerance towards segments of
this Nation in a way exactly opposite of what I believe this country's
central tenets are.

And I dont think the conservative philosophy automatically implies racism
just like I dont think a liberal philosophy implies a mindless tendency to
spend money to relieve some false sense of guilt.

[Mortimer]

Dr. Whitherfork..I mean spoon...ought to have a look at this.

[Mortimer]

I have reread Phil's last statement.





I feel he has conflict buzzing around in his noodle.

It's deep...rooted in Ethel's propensity to keep straightening out wrinkled rugs.

I think he has a problem churning out in words what his mind wants him to say.


Is he a sissy?


Perhaps.


Does he watch too much tv sports?


Does a bee gather pollen?

[Mortimer]

The thread lacks words of whizzdom from BentMahPud.



It can never truly be a 5 starer until he projectile vomits here.

[Mortimer]

2hot4FayeBotoxAway could be an acceptable stand in.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by pgardn

1. Because his voting record and stances indicate intolerance towards democracy and what the United States means in imo.

And he said exactly what he felt. He did not attempt
to persuade or dissuade. He was asked numerous times on the record
after making some very intolerant statements if he wished to retract.
He wanted no retractions.

He was a senator for a very long time and the record is there for
anyone to see. I agree that racist is very over used. I have not used it.
I would say he shows a great deal of intolerance towards segments of
this Nation in a way exactly opposite of what I believe this country's
central tenets are.

And I dont think the conservative philosophy automatically implies racism
just like I dont think a liberal philosophy implies a mindless tendency to
spend money to relieve some false sense of guilt.

Be specific. Which votes did he make which indicate intolerance towards democracy? Is his voting record much different from other conservatives? If not, do you consider most conservatives intolerant toward democracy?

[Rupert Pupkin]

For the record, I am sure that there are many quotes from Helms that I would strongly disagree with and that I could not defend. But I'm not going to judge the guy's whole life and career off a few stupid comments.

Most politicians born in the South during that era grew up having some pretty backward views.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

For the record, I am sure that there are many quotes from Helms that I would strongly disagree with and that I could not defend. But I'm not going to judge the guy's whole life and career off a few stupid comments.

Most politicians born in the South during that era grew up having some pretty backward views.

and many of them were repentant of those views later in life.

george wallace quietly visited black churches asking forgiveness for the harm he had done earlier in his life.

while that was going on, jesse helms sang dixie to the first african american woman elected to the senate promising he'd keep it up "until she cried".

i think i have his entire life in perspective when i say the world is better off without him and those that share his views.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

For the record, I am sure that there are many quotes from Helms that I would strongly disagree with and that I could not defend. But I'm not going to judge the guy's whole life and career off a few stupid comments.

Most politicians born in the South during that era grew up having some pretty backward views.

Not defending Helms by any means, but backwards views based on whose standards? Many people in the South view politicians views from the Northeast or California "backwards"

Again...I am far from defending Sen. Helms. Many of his beliefs were deplorable, at best. But they were his beliefs, his convictions and he stood by them. At least with him, you knew where he stood. As opposed to a great majority of politicians today, Rep. and Dem alike, who only say what people want to hear, whether they actually believe it or not. The state of todays politcians is criminal, at best. I would would hate to see and United States where everyone thought, acted and believed the same thing. Me personally, I could give two sh*ts about what others believe, as long as they stand strong in their convictions. Much more respect for people like that as opposed to people pleasers.

[Mortimer]

NEGROES!!!!











Working BESIDE.....ME!!!!?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GPK

Not defending Helms by any means, but backwards views based on whose standards? Many people in the South view politicians views from the Northeast or California "backwards"

Again...I am far from defending Sen. Helms. Many of his beliefs were deplorable, at best. But they were his beliefs, his convictions and he stood by them. At least with him, you knew where he stood. As opposed to a great majority of politicians today, Rep. and Dem alike, who only say what people want to hear, whether they actually believe it or not. The state of todays politcians is criminal, at best. I would would hate to see and United States where everyone thought, acted and believed the same thing. Me personally, I could give two sh*ts about what others believe, as long as they stand strong in their convictions. Much more respect for people like that as opposed to people pleasers.

When I talked about backward views, I was referring to the racist attitudes of the 1950s. That is all I was referring to. And I'm only referring to true racism. We all have different views of what true racism is. To me, true racism is when a person basically dislikes all the members of a certain race. I'm sure others have a far broader view.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by GPK

Not defending Helms by any means, but backwards views based on whose standards? Many people in the South view politicians views from the Northeast or California "backwards"

Again...I am far from defending Sen. Helms. Many of his beliefs were deplorable, at best. But they were his beliefs, his convictions and he stood by them. At least with him, you knew where he stood. As opposed to a great majority of politicians today, Rep. and Dem alike, who only say what people want to hear, whether they actually believe it or not. The state of todays politcians is criminal, at best. I would would hate to see and United States where everyone thought, acted and believed the same thing. Me personally, I could give two sh*ts about what others believe, as long as they stand strong in their convictions. Much more respect for people like that as opposed to people pleasers.

you're better than this nonsense.

i'm not going to come on here and defend the iranian president or osama bin ladin because they are steadfast in their beliefs. and neither are you.

we're both going to look at their beliefs and judge them on our own moral scale.

jesse helms was an unrepentant racist. he had a 18th century mind.

i'm okay with that point of view disappearing from our political landscape. and advocating tolerance for intolerance is asinine. i hope you respect my strong opinion on that.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Be specific. Which votes did he make which indicate intolerance towards democracy? Is his voting record much different from other conservatives? If not, do you consider most conservatives intolerant toward democracy?

I never mentioned a voting record.

He could have voted on the same side as Ted Kennedy on
a number of bills. This does not tell me as much about the
man as his own statements and actions.

His record is long and there for anyone to see and judge.
I judge him to be intolerant and unpatriotic based on what
this country is supposed to be. This is my opinion, my judgement.
I have my own ideas about this country's central tenets, it may not be exactly like others.

For one little example if you wish, because there are many:
Look up his role in the funding of the Contra rebels and
then look up his views on aide to foreign countries and his
views on the United State's role in dealing with foreign aide.

A huge contradiction, no pun intended.

This has nothing to do with his archaic civil rights views
for which he has made his true fame.

Morton this is a sort of smart thread.
Look something up for God's sake!

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