Disgusted..

[the_fat_man]

2 possibilities:

1) they're clueless and don't realize the impact of herding (and intimidation)

2) they figure herding is part of the game and choose to selectively DQ horses that don't keep a straight path

either way they take the exactness out of the game

but more importantly, it's JUST ANOTHER way to lose --- get accustomed to it

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

2 possibilities:

1) they're clueless and don't realize the impact of herding (and intimidation)

2) they figure herding is part of the game and choose to selectively DQ horses that don't keep a straight path

either way they take the exactness out of the game

but more importantly, it's JUST ANOTHER way to lose --- get accustomed to it

SO YOU AGREE WITH ME ?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

SO YOU AGREE WITH ME ?

That's funny.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

That's funny.

lol.
Fatman does not exist in a Y/N space.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

2 possibilities:

1) they're clueless and don't realize the impact of herding (and intimidation)

2) they figure herding is part of the game and choose to selectively DQ horses that don't keep a straight path

either way they take the exactness out of the game

but more importantly, it's JUST ANOTHER way to lose --- get accustomed to it

There is absolutely no way they should have taken that horse down. He didn't herd the other horse and barely drifted.....plus he was a few paths clear of the second hanger when he started to drift.

That call was a complete no brainer.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There is absolutely no way they should have taken that horse down. He didn't herd the other horse and barely drifted.....plus he was a few paths clear of the second hanger when he started to drift.

That call was a complete no brainer.

Agreed. . . the 5 wasn't going by the 7 anyways.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

The Baffert horse is running totally straight, and has to shift out 2 full lanes to avoid this horse coming over on it. That hurts momentum, and it means the horse is now running further than she should have to run(if you are going sideways, then you are now running further than if you were allowed to run straight.) The horse has a f'n right to run straight. A horse who is running straight should be able to continue to run straight to the wire. Why should she have to shift over and lose momentum, and run further? She was best. I don't particularly care about the race, but she would of won if the other filly didn't do what she did.

[hockey2315]

She also probably would've won if she had started better. . . but to change the results in that situation would have been criminal - too bad for all the people that were sending it in on Baffert's horse - and too bad for me too, as I would've had the tri a few times over, but I'd prefer to keep the stewards out of every little bump and "herd" in every race.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Easy to call a horse a hanger if you are gunna ignore the fact she has to shift out 2 lanes, and lose momentum. That's classic.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

3-3 now. Someone else needs to vote to break up this tie.

Andy's vote should count at least twice.

[santana]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Andy's vote should count at least twice.

In most places. Andy gets 3 votes to every one.

Happy 4th of July !

[3kings]

Originally Posted by santana

In most places. Andy gets 3 votes to every one.

Happy 4th of July !

I didn't see it live but had taped the race. They are young 2 yr olds and more leeway has to be given. Good no call.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There is absolutely no way they should have taken that horse down. He didn't herd the other horse and barely drifted.....plus he was a few paths clear of the second hanger when he started to drift.

That call was a complete no brainer.

You need to watch it again. He definitely herds under REPEATED lefty whip early/mid stretch, then he doesn't keep a straight path from there on under righty whip. Given the photo beat, I'd say it was more than enough.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

You need to watch it again. He definitely herds under lefty whip early stretch, then he doesn't keep a straight path from there on under righty whip. Given the photo beat, I'd say it was more than enough.

I watched it two or three times during the inquiry and once after the replay ( when they finally got around to showing the head on ). I don't agree. Doesn't make me right but quite frankly I think DQs are handed out around her more than a little frivolously. We should be very happy that the stewards aren't as trigger happy as some posters here.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I watched it two or three times during the inquiry and once after the replay ( when they finally got around to showing the head on ). I don't agree. Doesn't make me right but quite frankly I think DQs are handed out around her more than a little frivolously. We should be very happy that the stewards aren't as trigger happy as some posters here.

That's not a factual reason for leaving her up. That's philosophical. WTF use is that s-h-i-t?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I watched it two or three times during the inquiry and once after the replay ( when they finally got around to showing the head on ). I don't agree. Doesn't make me right but quite frankly I think DQs are handed out around her more than a little frivolously. We should be very happy that the stewards aren't as trigger happy as some posters here.

I don't have a problem with the latter, as long as there's consistency. And there really isn't.

I just don't understand why ONE horse should be given a preference over ANOTHER when it comes to having every opportunity to win a race. It's not about the severity of the move, in most cases, but rather whether the other horse had an EQUAL chance to run in the stretch. Why should the winner in this case be allowed to bear out under repeated whipping, how many times have we seen that from Garcia in the past?, and by doing so OBSTRUCT the path of the other horse. If you can't keep a straight run and by doing so obstruct the path of another horse, you need to come down. And the reason you need to come down is because there are jockeys making a good living doing just that: seemingly subtle ****, in the minds of the stewards, and others, evidently, that nonetheless compromises the chances of the other horse(s).

I'm in the minority when it comes to this but at least I'm on it. I've come to grips with the fact that this is just another way to lose, and then play off it.

[GPK]

Gomez seem to be doing a bit of acting and made it seem a bit worse than it actually was.

Looked like Miss Bodine ducked a 2 lanes coming out of the gate.

[blackthroatedwind]

Through all of this and nobody even mentions Iron Butterfly. What is the world coming to?

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I watched it two or three times during the inquiry and once after the replay ( when they finally got around to showing the head on ). I don't agree. Doesn't make me right but quite frankly I think DQs are handed out around her more than a little frivolously. We should be very happy that the stewards aren't as trigger happy as some posters here.

post of the year!

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There is absolutely no way they should have taken that horse down. He didn't herd the other horse and barely drifted.....plus he was a few paths clear of the second hanger when he started to drift.

That call was a complete no brainer.

your wrong, you are the man around here, for real no sarcasim and you know a lot more about the game then me , ALOT MORE, but your wrong on this one.