Very impressive 2yo at HP

[eajinabi]

I hate giving labels on horses who win FT impressively. I will determine after 3-4 races afterm if the horse is the real deal. We saw a flop in Mr. Mistofelees as the 1-5 fav.

The next time SS STONE runs I am betting against cause he is going to be way overbet. If O'neil is smart I would put this horse in an ALW NX1 next out instead in 2 yo Stakes.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

I hate giving labels on horses who win FT impressively. I will determine after 3-4 races afterm if the horse is the real deal. We saw a flop in Mr. Mistofelees as the 1-5 fav.

The next time SS STONE runs I am betting against cause he is going to be way overbet. If O'neil is smart I would put this horse in an ALW NX1 next out instead in 2 yo Stakes.

ss stone was ok, the leader kinda quit allowing ss stone to surge and get up...
i am intigued by the third place finisher, def. now awesome like my friend said, but he made up a ton of ground, should love the stretchout

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

ss stone was ok, the leader kinda quit allowing ss stone to surge and get up...
i am intigued by the third place finisher, def. now awesome like my friend said, but he made up a ton of ground, should love the stretchout

LOL! The third place finisher will be a plodder. Yes he ran a fast third but did you see how much espimiza was pushing him? He responded but he is another bet against for me next out.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

LOL! The third place finisher will be a plodder. Yes he ran a fast third but did you see how much espimiza was pushing him? He responded but he is another bet against for me next out.

I am not impressed by Street Hero. Yes he makes impressive moves but they last for a furloung at best. Espinoza probaly moved to early yet this horse burned money for three in a row

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

LOL! The third place finisher will be a plodder. Yes he ran a fast third but did you see how much espimiza was pushing him? He responded but he is another bet against for me next out.

Plodder took the grade 1.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

ss stone was ok, the leader kinda quit allowing ss stone to surge and get up...
i am intigued by the third place finisher, def. now awesome like my friend said, but he made up a ton of ground, should love the stretchout

Be wary of debuters that break slow. He may break much sharper next time, and be very close to the pace. Given his bullet works (a 3f in :33+ even!), he could have some front-running ability. You may actually see him tire down the lane next out.

As far as the quality of the field, a good barometer (and actually an example of what I mentioned above) is Nochangenweather, who was 4th beaten 4 lengths after rallying smartly around the far turn before entering the stretch very wide and hanging down the lane. He ran similarly in his debut, finishing 5th beaten 3 by some other O'Neill horse. Next out, he broke running and was gunned to the lead where he set testing fractions, got away from a pace rival into the stretch before hitting a brick wall and again finished 5th beaten 3. I forget who won that race, but obviously, none of the colts from those maiden races have done anything to suggest they are a standout amongst the CA division. That Pete Miller horse that won the little stakes race probably still has to be considered the top.

[wac]

I saw the race as well and was impressed wiht the winner, showed a nice burst of acceleration it looked like esp being down on the rail Pretty goodshow for a 1st out i think.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Be wary of debuters that break slow. He may break much sharper next time, and be very close to the pace. Given his bullet works (a 3f in :33+ even!), he could have some front-running ability. You may actually see him tire down the lane next out.

As far as the quality of the field, a good barometer (and actually an example of what I mentioned above) is Nochangenweather, who was 4th beaten 4 lengths after rallying smartly around the far turn before entering the stretch very wide and hanging down the lane. He ran similarly in his debut, finishing 5th beaten 3 by some other O'Neill horse. Next out, he broke running and was gunned to the lead where he set testing fractions, got away from a pace rival into the stretch before hitting a brick wall and again finished 5th beaten 3. I forget who won that race, but obviously, none of the colts from those maiden races have done anything to suggest they are a standout amongst the CA division. That Pete Miller horse that won the little stakes race probably still has to be considered the top.

Well the next time Street Hero runs in a 3F race, let me know. I am betting my paycheck on him.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Be wary of debuters that break slow. He may break much sharper next time, and be very close to the pace. Given his bullet works (a 3f in :33+ even!), he could have some front-running ability. You may actually see him tire down the lane next out.

As far as the quality of the field, a good barometer (and actually an example of what I mentioned above) is Nochangenweather, who was 4th beaten 4 lengths after rallying smartly around the far turn before entering the stretch very wide and hanging down the lane. He ran similarly in his debut, finishing 5th beaten 3 by some other O'Neill horse. Next out, he broke running and was gunned to the lead where he set testing fractions, got away from a pace rival into the stretch before hitting a brick wall and again finished 5th beaten 3. I forget who won that race, but obviously, none of the colts from those maiden races have done anything to suggest they are a standout amongst the CA division. That Pete Miller horse that won the little stakes race probably still has to be considered the top.

The Pete Miller horse (Backbackbackgone) will be on the shelf for a little while. He's got a shin. He should be back in a few months.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The Pete Miller horse (Backbackbackgone) will be on the shelf for a little while. He's got a shin. He should be back in a few months.

That's a shame. Good luck to him then. He'll be next year's Sea of Pleasure...

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

That's a shame. Good luck to him then. He'll be next year's Sea of Pleasure...

Instead of pointing for the Del Mar Futurity, they can point for the Hollywood Futurity in December.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Instead of pointing for the Del Mar Futurity, they can point for the Hollywood Futurity in December.

Think he'll route, especially off a layoff?

I'd target the San Miguel or if he's ready, the Prevue and wouldn't hold my breath beyond anything else. A more conservative approach like the one used on Bob Black Jack would probably be more prudent. Of course, despite this, look how that turned out...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Be wary of debuters that break slow. He may break much sharper next time, and be very close to the pace. Given his bullet works (a 3f in :33+ even!), he could have some front-running ability. You may actually see him tire down the lane next out.

As far as the quality of the field, a good barometer (and actually an example of what I mentioned above) is Nochangenweather, who was 4th beaten 4 lengths after rallying smartly around the far turn before entering the stretch very wide and hanging down the lane. He ran similarly in his debut, finishing 5th beaten 3 by some other O'Neill horse. Next out, he broke running and was gunned to the lead where he set testing fractions, got away from a pace rival into the stretch before hitting a brick wall and again finished 5th beaten 3. I forget who won that race, but obviously, none of the colts from those maiden races have done anything to suggest they are a standout amongst the CA division. That Pete Miller horse that won the little stakes race probably still has to be considered the top.

Rollo you were wrong about this horse.I watched him one time(jcs11204 wanted to know about him,) and told you he was good. You said to beware etc., but you can't do what he did 1st time without being really good. He overcame the mediocre trainer to take the Norfolk. I don't know why somebody hasn't bought him from this guy.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

ss stone was ok, the leader kinda quit allowing ss stone to surge and get up...
i am intigued by the third place finisher, def. now awesome like my friend said, but he made up a ton of ground, should love the stretchout

The leader quit?

After going like five wide, he ran the 5th furlong in 11 and change and then spit the bit, coming home in a paltry 6 or 6.1.

That wasn't exactly glacial.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

The next time SS STONE runs I am betting against cause he is going to be way overbet. If O'neil is smart I would put this horse in an ALW NX1 next out instead in 2 yo Stakes.

I'm not sure if they even bother writing first condition allowance races for 2yos in SoCal anymore.

Depending on the scheduling, he'll show up next in either the Hollywood Juvenile or Best Pal or both...

The overbet horse next out will be Street Hero...if he shows up in another maiden...given his trainer, he may show up in a stakes as well...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Track didn't favor that kind of move (that Street Hero made.) That's exactly the way Street Boss looked last year on days that didn't favor deep stuff. Then he started laying closer to the lead, and that's what made him so improved(he made the same big move, but from closer up.) The track favored the horses who finished top 2 in the last. It seemed to favor stuff just off the front today. Like the winner of the last did.Street Hero showed too much talent to say he won't be good. He is good. It's gunna come down to whether somebody wants to make an offer to these people. If a top trainer gets him, then he could be really nice. With these connections, he will be allowance, or nibble in stakes. The guy training him just can't get it done in big spots. Maybe he doesn't cheat etc., and almost all the other top trainers out here do. I would never play the trainer at less than 10-1. Hope they sell him.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Track didn't favor that kind of move (that Street Hero made.) That's exactly the way Street Boss looked last year on days that didn't favor deep stuff. Then he started laying closer to the lead, and that's what made him so improved(he made the same big move, but from closer up.) The track favored the horses who finished top 2 in the last. It seemed to favor stuff just off the front today. Like the winner of the last did.Street Hero showed too much talent to say he won't be good. He is good. It's gunna come down to whether somebody wants to make an offer to these people. If a top trainer gets him, then he could be really nice. With these connections, he will be allowance, or nibble in stakes. The guy training him just can't get it done in big spots. Maybe he doesn't cheat etc., and almost all the other top trainers out here do. I would never play the trainer at less than 10-1. Hope they sell him.

Scuds you was wrong. He overcame a mediocre trainer to give him the victory of his life in a grade 1.

[RolloTomasi]

SCUDS, you've lost your mind.

The horse has run 3 other times since his debut. I think everyone pretty much has gotten beyond his debut run.

Personally, I never said anything specifically about this horse (other than, given his trainer, he'd run as a maiden in a stakes---guess what? I was right too!!). I was just pointing out a potential change in running style 2nd time out, which many GREEN 2yos do. Apparently not this one.

But anyways, congrats. You called it.

What you exactly called...I have know idea.

[RolloTomasi]

Actually, looking back at his PPs, I should amend my last post.

In his debut, he was nearly 9 lengths off the early pace. 2nd time out, he was only a length off the pace.

Sorry for being way off.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Track didn't favor that kind of move (that Street Hero made.) That's exactly the way Street Boss looked last year on days that didn't favor deep stuff. Then he started laying closer to the lead, and that's what made him so improved(he made the same big move, but from closer up.) The track favored the horses who finished top 2 in the last. It seemed to favor stuff just off the front today. Like the winner of the last did.Street Hero showed too much talent to say he won't be good. He is good. It's gunna come down to whether somebody wants to make an offer to these people. If a top trainer gets him, then he could be really nice. With these connections, he will be allowance, or nibble in stakes. The guy training him just can't get it done in big spots. Maybe he doesn't cheat etc., and almost all the other top trainers out here do. I would never play the trainer at less than 10-1. Hope they sell him.

Read it ROLLO. I said he is a good horse, but was worried about the trainer. Trainer did take a long time to get a win with him, but it is a Grade 1. Myself and JCS liked the horse a lot, and you said he just ran well because he broke poorly. If you couldn't tell that was a monster move on the turn that day, then you're lost. That was a stakes horse move, and you missed it. Go back and you will see everybody talking about the top 2 horses, and I didn't do that. I am picking out the winner of the Norfolk to talk about(while the rest of you were talking about the 2 that finished ahead of him.) He showed his hand to you in that 1st race he had, and you didn't see it. You were too busy calling it a fake move by a horse who broke poorly. That was a monster move that only really good horses can make 1st time out.