Who would ever get into this game now?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

The entire sport is fiction. It's impossible to believe even ONE feat of accomplishment due to the massive abuse.

Does anyone think this will change for the better? I certainly don't see an end in sight.

Your melodramatics are fun to read..Multiple choice question for you:

a) There are less cheaters now than 20 years ago
b) There are more cheaters now than 20 years ago
c) Answer A is right, but there are more systems in place to catch them

Obviously, I think "C" is correct..That doesn't make any of the positives or abuses going on now right, but don't think this sport's glory days were oats and hay.

[Split Rock]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Your melodramatics are fun to read..Multiple choice question for you:

a) There are less cheaters now than 20 years ago
b) There are more cheaters now than 20 years ago
c) Answer A is right, but there are more systems in place to catch them

Obviously, I think "C" is correct..That doesn't make any of the positives or abuses going on now right, but don't think this sport's glory days were oats and hay.

Can't refute either BUT, and it's a big BUT, the game seemed a little more fair 20 years ago. What is happening now is so obviously crooked that I cannot even begin to defend it. I personally know three players that bet enormous amounts daily that have quit the game outright. Two of them play poker and the other spends his gambling dollar on sports betting. All three quit because it was an impossible game to play.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

Can't refute either BUT, and it's a big BUT, the game seemed a little more fair 20 years ago. What is happening now is so obviously crooked that I cannot even begin to defend it. I personally know three players that bet enormous amounts daily that have quit the game outright. Two of them play poker and the other spends his gambling dollar on sports betting. All three quit because it was an impossible game to play.

what is enormous?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

Can't refute either BUT, and it's a big BUT, the game seemed a little more fair 20 years ago. What is happening now is so obviously crooked that I cannot even begin to defend it. I personally know three players that bet enormous amounts daily that have quit the game outright. Two of them play poker and the other spends his gambling dollar on sports betting. All three quit because it was an impossible game to play.

poker is the real deal.....

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

Can't refute either BUT, and it's a big BUT, the game seemed a little more fair 20 years ago. What is happening now is so obviously crooked that I cannot even begin to defend it. I personally know three players that bet enormous amounts daily that have quit the game outright. Two of them play poker and the other spends his gambling dollar on sports betting. All three quit because it was an impossible game to play.

Maybe because everyone cheated 20 years ago it was a more level playing field and 'easier" to play then?

There are honest guys out there now but they get caught up in the high profile positives and general hysteria of Biancone, Ass, etc. I understand what you are saying and your frustrations, but you make these all encompassing statements about everyone cheating, and this game sucks, and I wonder why, if you feel that way, you are even interested anymore?

[ELA]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Maybe because everyone cheated 20 years ago it was a more level playing field and 'easier" to play then?

There are honest guys out there now but they get caught up in the high profile positives and general hysteria of Biancone, Ass, etc. I understand what you are saying and your frustrations, but you make these all encompassing statements about everyone cheating, and this game sucks, and I wonder why, if you feel that way, you are even interested anymore?

Well, let's wait a minute here -- he either meant everyone is cheating or he just meant the two trainers he maligned in his first post.

Eric

[Cannon Shell]

I thought the funny part was the guy who quit horseracing to bet sports because horseracing has too many drugs...guess he hasnt been paying much attention since in the last year half of baseball has been implicated as being on steroids, the NBA has a ref arrested for fixing games and he describes a whole lot more than him, the NFL has lineman that the Feds have turned into drug informants, Tennis matches reportedly have been rigged, a report comes out and says that shaving points in college basketball is happening, easy to do and nobody is watching...

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I thought the funny part was the guy who quit horseracing to bet sports because horseracing has too many drugs...guess he hasnt been paying much attention since in the last year half of baseball has been implicated as being on steroids, the NBA has a ref arrested for fixing games and he describes a whole lot more than him, the NFL has lineman that the Feds have turned into drug informants, Tennis matches reportedly have been rigged, a report comes out and says that shaving points in college basketball is happening, easy to do and nobody is watching...

All of those sports you mentioned, and even with everything wrong with them, they are easier to handicap. LOL.

Eric

[mnmark]

Split Rock, I also Play Canterbury Park regularly and have for many years, I live 8 miles from the track. I agree with your assesment of horses trained by Evans and to a lessor extant Jamie Ness. without looking at win% I can tell you that most of Jamies wins seams to be when he has the best horse that is spoted right. I have lost quite a few wagers on Jamie this year when I thought they would just magically improve so to speak and that hasnt really happened that much with him. Justin Evans horses horses on the other hand just win when they look overmatched on paper. and he seams to be beating Ness straight up when they both have a horse in the same race more than not. The biggest red flag has been the pounding Evans horses have taken at the windows since opening day. Alot of Evans winners go from 8-5 to 3-5 late. He must be serving Strawberry shakes because his success or dominance has been alot more alarming and head scrathing then Jamie Ness in my opinion.

[Split Rock]

Originally Posted by mnmark

Split Rock, I also Play Canterbury Park regularly and have for many years, I live 8 miles from the track. I agree with your assesment of horses trained by Evans and to a lessor extant Jamie Ness. without looking at win% I can tell you that most of Jamies wins seams to be when he has the best horse that is spoted right. I have lost quite a few wagers on Jamie this year when I thought they would just magically improve so to speak and that hasnt really happened that much with him. Justin Evans horses horses on the other hand just win when they look overmatched on paper. and he seams to be beating Ness straight up when they both have a horse in the same race more than not. The biggest red flag has been the pounding Evans horses have taken at the windows since opening day. Alot of Evans winners go from 8-5 to 3-5 late. He must be serving Strawberry shakes because his success or dominance has been alot more alarming and head scrathing then Jamie Ness in my opinion.

It is so utterly ridiculous. Evans is taking money from other honest trainers and, to top it off, he and his owners are waiting until 30 seconds to post and absolutely hammering these horses down (With Smoke went from 9-2 to 6-5 on the last click the other day and won by 11) and they are taking money from the players, as well.

Would like to know when these guys will be caught. They are ruining the game.