Can we all agree...

[King Glorious]

I'd never have believed it had anyone told me five years ago that the day would come where they would run 10f grade one's in NY and CA on the same day for older horses and I wouldn't have heard of either winner going into the race.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'd never have believed it had anyone told me five years ago that the day would come where they would run 10f grade one's in NY and CA on the same day for older horses and I wouldn't have heard of either winner going into the race.

thank you for my new signature...truest thing i've read in ages...very sad...

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'd never have believed it had anyone told me five years ago that the day would come where they would run 10f grade one's in NY and CA on the same day for older horses and I wouldn't have heard of either winner going into the race.

KG,

No insult intended here, but you can't be paying any attention to NY/CA circuit news to not have 'heard' of Mast Track and Frost Giant going into this weekend. Sorry.

Frost Giant, a multiple Group III winner trained by AO'B in Europe, was the subject of a lot of discussion since coming stateside. He was especially well-discussed here this week having been entered on the BEL carryover card the other day.

And Mast Track, in addition to being Frankel owned/trained and having just tried the Shoemaker last, was the subject of Brad Free's HOL GC advance Wednesday.

[Kasept]

Further.. say what you will about Dutrow, but he kept trying with Frost Giant until he figured out what to do with him...

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...816#post392816

From Dave Grenig's BEL notes last week:

"He's a hard horse to figure out; I still ain't got him figured out yet," Dutrow said. "He's going good now though. I don't have a problem trying what we're going to try."

Dutrow said if Frost Giant runs big Wednesday, he'll leave him at Belmont with Bobby Frankel and walk him into the Suburban.

"I'll put him on the lead in the Suburban," Dutrow said. "I'll put Rudy [Rodriguez] on him and let him ride him right out of there, that's what the horse wants. He doesn't want you to take a hold of him."

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Further.. say what you will about Dutrow, but he kept trying with Frost Giant until he figured out what to do with him...

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...816#post392816

From Dave Grenig's BEL notes last week:

"He's a hard horse to figure out; I still ain't got him figured out yet," Dutrow said. "He's going good now though. I don't have a problem trying what we're going to try."

Dutrow said if Frost Giant runs big Wednesday, he'll leave him at Belmont with Bobby Frankel and walk him into the Suburban.

"I'll put him on the lead in the Suburban," Dutrow said. "I'll put Rudy [Rodriguez] on him and let him ride him right out of there, that's what the horse wants. He doesn't want you to take a hold of him."

But he wasn't on the lead (Naughty New Yorker pulled Prado there), and they did take a hold of Frost Giant through rather pedestrian fractions.

That being said, I think the race was more a case of Solar Flare losing the race, as it looked like he had put Frost Giant away turning for home.

[Cannon Shell]

No matter how you look at it, this was a sad edition of the Suburban

[eajinabi]

The Surbarban should be stripped from its G1 status

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No matter how you look at it, this was a sad edition of the Suburban

In reality, the Suburban should probably no longer be a Grade I race. Last year, Political Force beat Fairbanks in an equally dismal edition (when Corinthian didn't fire going 10F). With the way the major trainers want so much spacing between races, the Foster and Whitney are the "must-do" races in the handicap division, and the Suburban suffers for falling in between those two races.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

In reality, the Suburban should probably no longer be a Grade I race. Last year, Political Force beat Fairbanks in an equally dismal edition (when Corinthian didn't fire going 10F). With the way the major trainers want so much spacing between races, the Foster and Whitney are the "must-do" races in the handicap division, and the Suburban suffers for falling in between those two races.

Spacing is immaterial when there arent any good horses anyway isnt it? The older horse divisions are painfully weak.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Kasept

And Mast Track, in addition to being Frankel owned/trained and having just tried the Shoemaker last, was the subject of Brad Free's HOL GC advance Wednesday.

And bred i believe

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And bred i believe

Hot damn! AND bred to boot... How about that Bobby?!

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by Kasept

KG,

No insult intended here, but you can't be paying any attention to NY/CA circuit news to not have 'heard' of Mast Track and Frost Giant going into this weekend. Sorry.

Frost Giant, a multiple Group III winner trained by AO'B in Europe, was the subject of a lot of discussion since coming stateside. He was especially well-discussed here this week having been entered on the BEL carryover card the other day.

And Mast Track, in addition to being Frankel owned/trained and having just tried the Shoemaker last, was the subject of Brad Free's HOL GC advance Wednesday.

Steve,

I gotta tell you. Finding you on ATR and this board are probably two of the best things that have happened to me as it relates to horse racing in many years. I know you started with "no insult intended", and I'm sure none was, but Frost Giant? You talk about him like he was a contender in this race. He was 40-1, longest shot on the board and to top it off Rudy Rodriguez was aboard. I watch NY racing just about every day and I wouldn't know Frost Giant if he bit me in the ass. He ran 2nd in an allowance race at Monmouth for Christmas sake last out. 7 of the 8 horses in that race, I knew from heard of to seen them run multiple times. Frost Giant, come on.

Now the Gold Cup horse, I won't pretend I know the first thing about Cali racing, especially since they went to the poly.

But Frost Giant?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Steve,

I gotta tell you. Finding you on ATR and this board are probably two of the best things that have happened to me as it relates to horse racing in many years. I know you started with "no insult intended", and I'm sure none was, but Frost Giant? You talk about him like he was a contender in this race. He was 40-1, longest shot on the board and to top it off Rudy Rodriguez was aboard. I watch NY racing just about every day and I wouldn't know Frost Giant if he bit me in the ass. He ran 2nd in an allowance race at Monmouth for Christmas sake last out. 7 of the 8 horses in that race, I knew from heard of to seen them run multiple times. Frost Giant, come on.

Now the Gold Cup horse, I won't pretend I know the first thing about Cali racing, especially since they went to the poly.

But Frost Giant?

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dude your way off, he was a contender, like someone said earlier his numbers were not far off any of the top contenders... LOL AND LOOK AT THE TOP CONTENDERS, AP ARROW HES A PIG......as for him being 40-1, he was as low as 10-1 at one point, and he just kept drifting up... what are you gonna do ? someone liked him in the exacta and pick 3, 4 pools, because everything seemed to come back really light

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Please....If he was sired by anyone other than Giants Causeway, you would be agreeing.

dammit, you beat me to it.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Danzig

dammit, you beat me to it.

whatever it has nothing to do with it, plus he ran gigantic, because he was the only speed on paper, if naughty new yorker was not rank, VERY RANK, he wins a lot easier

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Please....If he was sired by anyone other than Giants Causeway, you would be agreeing.

that has nothing to do with it !
i went 3 deep in my pick 4, and could not come up with ap arrow, 6 deep when i backed myself up in the pick 3, and could not come up with ap arrow. its not like there was anyone halfway decent to defeat in the race.. and like i said he was as low as 10-1 with about 18 min. to post

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Bullsh it and you know it. I don't really care about the other stuff, I mean aren't there enough threads around here dedicated to every detail of what you "bet".

its not bullshit, he was lone speed on paper, and earlier in the week there was a article on drf.com, where dutrow said "rudy is riding him, and were going straight to the lead"... bad group of horses and lone speed, he had a chance.