Gotta love this broad

[Scav]

Originally Posted by FGFan

When did Amoss get a positive?
I must have missed that one, what track, what horse?

I don't know for sure, but I do know he moves up horses first time claim better then ANYONE. And I am not talking a couple points, I am talking 5-7pts is the usual improvement

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Scav

I don't know for sure, but I do know he moves up horses first time claim better then ANYONE. And I am not talking a couple points, I am talking 5-7pts is the usual improvement

I'd be very, very interested to know how many were in jail, what % were on the drop, rise or back same. This is one factor I look at ALL the time as I am in the claiming business, but you might be surprised that trainers who shoot big #'s off the claim, are often on the drop. Argue all you want, but the top claiming trainers, and I know plenty of them, know their business stone cold. Most of my trainers know every single claiming horse on the grounds -- watch them work, race, cool out, etc. -- so it makes it much easier.

Doesn't mean there isn't "something else" but I'd look at those #'s.

Eric

[sumitas]

Maybe she'll team up with that dna whiz Barry Scheck from the OJ trial. He can confuse anybody.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ELA

I'd be very, very interested to know how many were in jail, what % were on the drop, rise or back same. This is one factor I look at ALL the time as I am in the claiming business, but you might be surprised that trainers who shoot big #'s off the claim, are often on the drop. Argue all you want, but the top claiming trainers, and I know plenty of them, know their business stone cold. Most of my trainers know every single claiming horse on the grounds -- watch them work, race, cool out, etc. -- so it makes it much easier.

Doesn't mean there isn't "something else" but I'd look at those #'s.

Eric

I agree 100% with that. This is why Catalano is so successful. He claims for 15k, drops for 10k and wins, profits a couple hundred dollars when said and done, and if the horse doesn't get claimed, they run back for 10k again and win and get claimed...

[philcski]

“I also believe in Steve’s innocence,” Moss said. “Being the leading trainer in the country and having Curlin, It would be ludicrous for him to give lidocaine to a 2-year-old filly who is going off at 1-5 odds. Nothing about this makes sense.”

Well why the phuck was she 1-5??? CAUSE EVERYONE IN THE JOINT KNOWS HE'S A CHEAT!!!!!!!!!

I really, really don't like Asmussen

[Scav]

you know what am I hoping and what I really think is the only possible solution to this hilarious garbage. I hope that one of these super trainers pisses off their assistant trainer so bad, that in about 3-4 years, they run to the Blood horse with evidence of a super trainer downright cheating his ass off, just with the most incriminating data. Now, this assistant would need to be changing professions completely which isn't impossible.

A good ole fashioned whistleblower.....

[phystech]

Originally Posted by Scav

you know what am I hoping and what I really think is the only possible solution to this hilarious garbage. I hope that one of these super trainers pisses off their assistant trainer so bad, that in about 3-4 years, they run to the Blood horse with evidence of a super trainer downright cheating his ass off, just with the most incriminating data. Now, this assistant would need to be changing professions completely which isn't impossible.

A good ole fashioned whistleblower.....

Take this in another direction - how many of these assistant trainers to the super trainers go out on their own and reproduce the st's results?
Here in MD, I can't think of a single one. For example, Tim Hooper was the asst to Scott Lake before he went out on his own to train for Mike Gill. Between those two top producers, you'd think Hooper would have carried their magic with him. He hasn't. He has mediocre results, at best. So then you have to ask, is it the magic, or is it the horses the owners are able to provide? Or is it the business model the owners follow, i.e., a willingness to claim and drop right off the claim, and then jam, jam, jam......

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by phystech

Take this in another direction - how many of these assistant trainers to the super trainers go out on their own and reproduce the st's results?
Here in MD, I can't think of a single one. For example, Tim Hooper was the asst to Scott Lake before he went out on his own to train for Mike Gill. Between those two top producers, you'd think Hooper would have carried their magic with him. He hasn't. He has mediocre results, at best. So then you have to ask, is it the magic, or is it the horses the owners are able to provide? Or is it the business model the owners follow, i.e., a willingness to claim and drop right off the claim, and then jam, jam, jam......

Probably count on one hand the number that are just as successful.
Pletcher is the obvious 1st, as well as most of Lukas' protégées. A few year back one of Vienna's assistants Tim Yakteen looked like he was going to go someplace, but has sorta fizzled out since.