6/28 (BEL): Suburban & Mother Goose (Gr. I's)

[hockey2315]

Why should they ship him across country? Especially when the BC will be on a synthetic surface.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Why should they ship him across country? Especially when the BC will be on a synthetic surface.

for a grade 1 win

[hockey2315]

Isn't that why they're running in the Gold Cup? . . and he already has 2 G1s.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Isn't that why they're running in the Gold Cup? . . and he already has 2 G1s.

he would be heavy favorite at belmont...
at hollywood he will be lucky to be the 3-4 choice...
a grade 1 is a grade 1, why not ship in and stay for the whitney and woodward, everything in ny looks to be coming up soft, TIAGO COULD BE A BEAST ON THE EAST COAST. he is clearly better on dirt, as his 110 beyer and game victory over Heatseeker proves.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

he would be heavy favorite at belmont...
at hollywood he will be lucky to be the 3-4 choice...
a grade 1 is a grade 1, why not ship in and stay for the whitney and woodward, everything in ny looks to be coming up soft, TIAGO COULD BE A BEAST ON THE EAST COAST. he is clearly better on dirt, as his 110 beyer and game victory over Heatseeker proves.

that's not how things work. . .

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

that's not how things work. . .

because the game is ****ed up

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

because the game is ****ed up

that doesn't really have anything to do with it. . . do you realize what it takes to ship a horse across the country? do you realize that they can't just ship him there and leave him for a few months?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

he would be heavy favorite at belmont...
at hollywood he will be lucky to be the 3-4 choice...
a grade 1 is a grade 1, why not ship in and stay for the whitney and woodward, everything in ny looks to be coming up soft, TIAGO COULD BE A BEAST ON THE EAST COAST. he is clearly better on dirt, as his 110 beyer and game victory over Heatseeker proves.

Why is Tiago clearly better on dirt? He beat second rate sprinter King of the Roxy in the Santa Anita Derby (at nearly 30-1) and IIRC wasn't everyone laughing at the prospect of ex-turf horse Heatseeker running even a remotely good race in the Oaklawn precisely because it was on dirt? Tiago only beat him by a head.

Aside from that, you have outclassed efforts in the Kentucky Derby, Belmont, and BC Classic to hang your hat on as far as his dirt form goes. At least he was placing in the Strub Series all winter despite unfavorable pace scenarios (as opposed to unfavorable surfaces).

Furthermore, when has he done anything in a race beyond 9f? He should have gone in the Met Mile if anything. I suppose the Saratoga races are within his distance range, but I'd be willing to take a stand against him in the Suburban and certainly wouldn't anticipate him winning like an odds-on horse even if he did get it done.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Why is Tiago clearly better on dirt? He beat second rate sprinter King of the Roxy in the Santa Anita Derby (at nearly 30-1) and IIRC wasn't everyone laughing at the prospect of ex-turf horse Heatseeker running even a remotely good race in the Oaklawn precisely because it was on dirt? Tiago only beat him by a head.

Aside from that, you have outclassed efforts in the Kentucky Derby, Belmont, and BC Classic to hang your hat on as far as his dirt form goes. At least he was placing in the Strub Series all winter despite unfavorable pace scenarios (as opposed to unfavorable surfaces).

Furthermore, when has he done anything in a race beyond 9f? He should have gone in the Met Mile if anything. I suppose the Saratoga races are within his distance range, but I'd be willing to take a stand against him in the Suburban and certainly wouldn't anticipate him winning like an odds-on horse even if he did get it done.

What has Tiago done on synthetic to make you think he's better on the fake stuff?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

What has Tiago done on synthetic to make you think he's better on the fake stuff?

Didn't say he was better on that synthetics, but his wins in the Swaps and Goodwood certainly suggest he's more than capable on the stuff in top company (relatively speaking).

Basically, I'm questioning his class more than anything. He's obviously versatile when it comes to surfaces and I don't see any clear evidence that he moves up dramatically on conventional dirt.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Isn't that why they're running in the Gold Cup? . . and he already has 2 G1s.

o and if the placed him correctly, he could have 5-6 grade 1 wins...

whitney
woodward
JCGC
who is running in those races ?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

How's he going to beat Commentator in the Whitney?

i dont know, second is still a nice purse.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't even know why they bother running the races. Seems like we got the handicap division figured out for the next few months.

hoss come on ? the division sucks, look at the suburban, i mean i joke about commentator but dam, he actually is legit for the whitney, especially against horses like the ones who are in the suburban

[letswastemoney]

It's convenient to keep a horse on their home circuit. I'd probably do the same if I owned Tiago just so all my friends can watch him with me, although I agree that Tiago would destroy the Suburban field.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

It's convenient to keep a horse on their home circuit. I'd probably do the same if I owned Tiago just so all my friends can watch him with me, although I agree that Tiago would destroy the Suburban field.

tiagos owner/trainer etc are west coasters. of course they want to win at home. not everyone thinks the east coast is the place to be.

we usually see the same things said when there are good horses back east, and not much on the west coast. just seems this year there are more horses on the same level out west.

[texarkana]

I agree shipping Tiago doesn't make much sense.

But why the heck did they ship Student Council to Hollywood when they could have shipped him half the distance to NY for an easier race???

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by texarkana

I agree shipping Tiago doesn't make much sense.

But why the heck did they ship Student Council to Hollywood when they could have shipped him half the distance to NY for an easier race???

i totally disagree with both of you......
they should have shipped him, easier spot, grade 1... HE LIKES DIRT MORE