Just in case anyone still thinks Prado can ride

[Bobby Fischer]

if we are talking all about jockeys, give me Dominguez, Flores or Mike Smith in a turf route with the controlling speed. Even better with an inside post and short run to the turn.

Borel or Desormeaux on a dirt route

I'll take Gomez on synthetic track. Bejarano aint bad either.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

if we are talking all about jockeys, give me Dominguez, Flores or Mike Smith in a turf route with the controlling speed. Even better with an inside post and short run to the turn.

Borel or Desormeaux on a dirt route

I'll take Gomez on synthetic track. Bejarano aint bad either.

i love borel

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

if we are talking all about jockeys, give me Dominguez, Flores or Mike Smith in a turf route with the controlling speed. Even better with an inside post and short run to the turn.

Borel or Desormeaux on a dirt route

I'll take Gomez on synthetic track. Bejarano aint bad either.

did you say mike smith?lolololoololololol

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

did you say mike smith?lolololoololololol

yea, he is surprisingly good on a turf route with the controlling speed. That is pretty much the only thing he does at a high level compared with other jockeys.

Disagree?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

yea, he is surprisingly good on a turf route with the controlling speed. That is pretty much the only thing he does at a high level compared with other jockeys.

Disagree?

well big guy any jockey that has conrolling speed..has an advantage but mile smith is terrible the last 3 years on anything..id give his mounts to c hill before him....

[Linny]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

well big guy any jockey that has conrolling speed..has an advantage but mile smith is terrible the last 3 years on anything..id give his mounts to c hill before him....

Was that a typo or you referring to his taking the overland route?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Linny

Was that a typo or you referring to his taking the overland route?

Hooves's middle name is typo.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Hooves's middle name is typo.

yes it is... arrrrrrrr the biggest hanger in ny..lol

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

well big guy any jockey that has conrolling speed..has an advantage but mile smith is terrible the last 3 years on anything..id give his mounts to c hill before him....

I never saw anything wrong with Channing. He just doesn't seem to get the mounts. If you give him a decent horse, he does fine.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You know it's the horses that actually do the work right?

Just like no sane man will phuck with a jockey on an airplane, there are situations at the track that suit certain skill sets more than others.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Good luck with that outlook.

sadly any jockey could kick my butt on or off an airplane. I would do damage to myself by swinging hard. 10 years ago... or any big guy in decent shape could smash a jockey. On an airplane that big guy is in cramped quarters lol. I can't even stand up on a airplane without my head touching the ceiling and it is hard enough to scoot around the seats. A jockey has no restrictions. He is throwing haymakers , roundhouse kicks , juking and jiving. That big guy hes fighting can't even throw a big punch or standup straight. Klitscho the Heavyweight Champ might lose to the middleweight champ ... on an airplane. You don't believe me get into a duel with a jockey... on an airplane.

I don't think that's what you were driving at, but you are missing the point.
Go watch Mission Approved on cal racing. Dominguez wins the Singspiel Stakes on an inferior animal with a great ride.

Go watch Wheels Up At Noon in his last race at Delaware. Jeremy Rose wins the Eight Thirty Stakes with an inferior animal by navigating the chuteTurn and 1st Turn in a great ride.

like every other discipline, jockeys have their own strengths and weaknesses, and sometimes they affect the outcome of a race.

believe it or not

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

sadly any jockey could kick my butt on or off an airplane. I would do damage to myself by swinging hard. 10 years ago... or any big guy in decent shape could smash a jockey. On an airplane that big guy is in cramped quarters lol. I can't even stand up on a airplane without my head touching the ceiling and it is hard enough to scoot around the seats. A jockey has no restrictions. He is throwing haymakers , roundhouse kicks , juking and jiving. That big guy hes fighting can't even throw a big punch or standup straight. Klitscho the Heavyweight Champ might lose to the middleweight champ ... on an airplane. You don't believe me get into a duel with a jockey... on an airplane.

I don't think that's what you were driving at, but you are missing the point.
Go watch Mission Approved on cal racing. Dominguez wins the Singspiel Stakes on an inferior animal with a great ride.

Go watch Wheels Up At Noon in his last race at Delaware. Jeremy Rose wins the Eight Thirty Stakes with an inferior animal by navigating the chuteTurn and 1st Turn in a great ride.

like every other discipline, jockeys have their own strengths and weaknesses, and sometimes they affect the outcome of a race.

believe it or not

In regards to Mission Approved - I'm not so sure about the inferior animal part. . . or the great ride by Dominguez part. He did what he was supposed to do - go to the lead on a lone speed horse and slow it down. I'm sure their plan from the beginning was to try and steal it. . . it was the right ride - not necessarily a great ride.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

In regards to Mission Approved - I'm not so sure about the inferior animal part. . . or the great ride by Dominguez part. He did what he was supposed to do - go to the lead on a lone speed horse and slow it down. I'm sure their plan from the beginning was to try and steal it. . . it was the right ride - not necessarily a great ride.

Coa was originally scheduled and only switched off because of injury. Do you think Coa wins that race?

I think Coa loses.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

That's silly. Coa had been aboard the horse for 3 of his previous 5 wins, including 2 paceless, alone on the lead wire to wire wins.

You're making sense Hossy...stop it.

[Bobby Fischer]

Just a case of seeing something totally different. I saw a masterful ride, exhibiting the wire to wire skills on a turf route that I believe very few posses. There is no one in new york at the moment that can even execute top class efforts wire-to-wire on a turf route, and so often the opportunity arises. To me it was one of the better rides of the year, although it was definetly a niche ride, and not say a classic race on dirt. Rahy's Attorney was clearly the best in the race from my perspective. I couldn't see Coa, Gomez, Velasquez, or Prado win that race 2 times out of five with Mission Approved. I would expect them to fade out of the exacta at least.

I do respect your opinions and agree to disagree.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

That's silly. Coa had been aboard the horse for 3 of his previous 5 wins, including 2 paceless, alone on the lead wire to wire wins.

I love how much people think the jockey matters... there's two types of jocks to me, competent and incompetent. Coa and Dominguez are obviously both "competent."