Just in case anyone still thinks Prado can ride

[blackthroatedwind]

I don't pay that much attention to be honest but I feel like Gomez is the best rider out there. Then again, maybe I'm just partial to him because he stopped me in the Clubhouse at Saratoga last year to tell me how much he likes the Siro's Seminars.

The again, Johnny almost hit a guy once who gave me a bag of sh it on an airplane.....and I never defend his riding. But, I like him.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't pay that much attention to be honest but I feel like Gomez is the best rider out there. Then again, maybe I'm just partial to him because he stopped me in the Clubhouse at Saratoga last year to tell me how much he likes the Siro's Seminars.

The again, Johnny almost hit a guy once who gave me a bag of sh it on an airplane.....and I never defend his riding. But, I like him.

gomez is far from the best... he is easily the most overated though.
we could go on for days about who the best is, there is really no way to tell, because trainers go hot/cold all the time, and when that happens, its sometimes not the jocks fault. as for gomez, IMO i would rather have... JV, kent, coa, julian l.... thats just 4, im sure there are more.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

gomez is far from the best... he is easily the most overated though.
we could go on for days about who the best is, there is really no way to tell, because trainers go hot/cold all the time, and when that happens, its sometimes not the jocks fault. as for gomez, IMO i would rather have... JV, kent, coa, julian l.... thats just 4, im sure there are more.

After seeing your top 15 jock list a ways back, Im not so sure anyone can take what you say seriously when it comes to riders. Horses too for that matter.

[zippyneedsawin]

I wasn't thrilled with Gomez' ride on Jazzy.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

I wasn't thrilled with Gomez' ride on Jazzy.

THAT was a GOOD ride.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

THAT was a GOOD ride.

I guess you're right, it takes skill to find trouble and get trapped on the rail in a 5-horse field.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

I guess you're right, it takes skill to find trouble and get trapped on the rail in a 5-horse field.

The horse sucked up and got loose in the stretch with plenty of room to run. She got the best trip in the field, running the least amount of ground.
Would you have preferred she was with the pace, like the winner? She would've lost that way, too. The bottom line is that she wasn't good enough. When sprinters, that are stretching out slightly, allow cutback horses to run with the pace, THEY CAN'T WIN cause they can't finish with them.

Here are the last three splits of the race: 23.54 23.04 11.37 (projects to 22.74).

[Indian Charlie]

Post of the year for me!!

Originally Posted by Originally Posted by jcs11204

gomez is far from the best... he is easily the most overated though.
we could go on for days about who the best is, there is really no way to tell, because trainers go hot/cold all the time, and when that happens, its sometimes not the jocks fault. as for gomez, IMO i would rather have... JV, kent, coa, julian l.... thats just 4, im sure there are more.

Originally Posted by declansharbor

After seeing your top 15 jock list a ways back, Im not so sure anyone can take what you say seriously when it comes to riders. Horses too for that matter.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

gomez is far from the best... he is easily the most overated though.
we could go on for days about who the best is, there is really no way to tell, because trainers go hot/cold all the time, and when that happens, its sometimes not the jocks fault. as for gomez, IMO i would rather have... JV, kent, coa, julian l.... thats just 4, im sure there are more.

Agree with BlackThroat, I haven't always been a fan of Gomez on a ride by ride basis but he is the most consistent and he can get a horse to the wire first who might not normally get there. JV is very solid but he has his very poor periods. Last summer when he could stay on a mount he was absolutely terrible. Kenny D. (he hates being called Kenny) has an occasional good to great ride but is incredibly unpredictable. He is a know it all and if he feels your horse has a chance he'll ride him/her. If not, he doesn't. And given that his judgement is not good on that question, he's cost horse players money over the years. Surely you don't think Big Brown was a unique ride for him. And there is more than one trainer who has went to Sellito, his agent, and told him to "lose my number". But he now has his house up for sale in NY and hopefully he'll be gone from here for awhile.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

gomez is far from the best... he is easily the most overated though.
we could go on for days about who the best is, there is really no way to tell, because trainers go hot/cold all the time, and when that happens, its sometimes not the jocks fault. as for gomez, IMO i would rather have... JV, kent, coa, julian l.... thats just 4, im sure there are more.

Now Coa is interesting. He is a good rider but his aggressiveness gets to him and he'll race ride himself out of contention. Plus I don't tend to like Joc's who don't like horses. So I am not sure where I am with him. Julian, where for arte thou, Julian. His head has gotten too big I hear and is having problems this year. That Cobra Venem sunk more than one boat!

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

Now Coa is interesting. He is a good rider but his aggressiveness gets to him and he'll race ride himself out of contention. Plus I don't tend to like Joc's who don't like horses. So I am not sure where I am with him. Julian, where for arte thou, Julian. His head has gotten too big I hear and is having problems this year. That Cobra Venem sunk more than one boat!

julian has the most upside of anyone... great hands, and considering he was first call for patrick b, i think he's done very well under the circumstances.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

julian has the most upside of anyone... great hands, and considering he was first call for patrick b, i think he's done very well under the circumstances.

True. I may be biased against anyone connected to Biancone.

[Bobby Fischer]

if we are talking all about jockeys, give me Dominguez, Flores or Mike Smith in a turf route with the controlling speed. Even better with an inside post and short run to the turn.

Borel or Desormeaux on a dirt route

I'll take Gomez on synthetic track. Bejarano aint bad either.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

if we are talking all about jockeys, give me Dominguez, Flores or Mike Smith in a turf route with the controlling speed. Even better with an inside post and short run to the turn.

Borel or Desormeaux on a dirt route

I'll take Gomez on synthetic track. Bejarano aint bad either.

i love borel

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

if we are talking all about jockeys, give me Dominguez, Flores or Mike Smith in a turf route with the controlling speed. Even better with an inside post and short run to the turn.

Borel or Desormeaux on a dirt route

I'll take Gomez on synthetic track. Bejarano aint bad either.

did you say mike smith?lolololoololololol

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

did you say mike smith?lolololoololololol

yea, he is surprisingly good on a turf route with the controlling speed. That is pretty much the only thing he does at a high level compared with other jockeys.

Disagree?

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You know it's the horses that actually do the work right?

Just like no sane man will phuck with a jockey on an airplane, there are situations at the track that suit certain skill sets more than others.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Good luck with that outlook.

sadly any jockey could kick my butt on or off an airplane. I would do damage to myself by swinging hard. 10 years ago... or any big guy in decent shape could smash a jockey. On an airplane that big guy is in cramped quarters lol. I can't even stand up on a airplane without my head touching the ceiling and it is hard enough to scoot around the seats. A jockey has no restrictions. He is throwing haymakers , roundhouse kicks , juking and jiving. That big guy hes fighting can't even throw a big punch or standup straight. Klitscho the Heavyweight Champ might lose to the middleweight champ ... on an airplane. You don't believe me get into a duel with a jockey... on an airplane.

I don't think that's what you were driving at, but you are missing the point.
Go watch Mission Approved on cal racing. Dominguez wins the Singspiel Stakes on an inferior animal with a great ride.

Go watch Wheels Up At Noon in his last race at Delaware. Jeremy Rose wins the Eight Thirty Stakes with an inferior animal by navigating the chuteTurn and 1st Turn in a great ride.

like every other discipline, jockeys have their own strengths and weaknesses, and sometimes they affect the outcome of a race.

believe it or not

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't pay that much attention to be honest but I feel like Gomez is the best rider out there. Then again, maybe I'm just partial to him because he stopped me in the Clubhouse at Saratoga last year to tell me how much he likes the Siro's Seminars.

The again, Johnny almost hit a guy once who gave me a bag of sh it on an airplane.....and I never defend his riding. But, I like him.

huh??
do tell

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by GBBob

huh??
do tell

LOL... yeah, is a bag of sh it considered carry-on? I'd think you would have to check that.