Report: Dutrow Facing Drug Positive

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Why don't any of these racing scribes ask Dutrow to explain how this horse was given that much bronchodilating medication? If you gave that much albuterol or salbuterol to a human being their heart would be going so fast you might be breaking indoor speed records after they had their massive heart attack.

It is interesting that the levels were twice the allowable limits

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is interesting that the levels were twice the allowable limits

Yeah, it is. We should have a poll as to the motivation, explanation, etc.

Eric

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is interesting that the levels were twice the allowable limits

How dangerous is that level of medication to the horse?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by tiggerv

How dangerous is that level of medication to the horse?

I have no idea. I have no idea what the allowable levels are and they dont want us to know. Not that it would make a difference if i knew. The recomended dosage is 5 cc's twice a day with a 72 to 96 hour withdrawl. We usually will stop 48 hours before that simply to avoid a bad test since clembuterol seems to generate more bad tests than any other med.Does that put us at a disadvantage? I doubt it considering how far out from a race you are at the legal withdrawl time. I suppose if you were to give 1 cc a few hours before the race the levels would come in sky high and that would hardy be dangerous to the horse. Most of the levels that horses test positive for are microscopic.

[slotdirt]

I did read that John Veitch said this is the highest level of clenbutorol he's seem in a horse since he became the chief steward in Kentucky.

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I have no idea. I have no idea what the allowable levels are and they dont want us to know. Not that it would make a difference if i knew. The recomended dosage is 5 cc's twice a day with a 72 to 96 hour withdrawl. We usually will stop 48 hours before that simply to avoid a bad test since clembuterol seems to generate more bad tests than any other med.Does that put us at a disadvantage? I doubt it considering how far out from a race you are at the legal withdrawl time. I suppose if you were to give 1 cc a few hours before the race the levels would come in sky high and that would hardy be dangerous to the horse. Most of the levels that horses test positive for are microscopic.

Thanks for the info. I was just curious if Dutrow was putting a horse's health/life in jeopardy for a 20k purse.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I have no idea. I have no idea what the allowable levels are and they dont want us to know. Not that it would make a difference if i knew. The recomended dosage is 5 cc's twice a day with a 72 to 96 hour withdrawl. We usually will stop 48 hours before that simply to avoid a bad test since clembuterol seems to generate more bad tests than any other med.Does that put us at a disadvantage? I doubt it considering how far out from a race you are at the legal withdrawl time. I suppose if you were to give 1 cc a few hours before the race the levels would come in sky high and that would hardy be dangerous to the horse. Most of the levels that horses test positive for are microscopic.

Apparently the allowable level is 20 petagrams per milliliter. Dutrow's horse was at 41.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/95769.html

[Cannon Shell]

petagram


petagram (plural petagrams)

A unit of mass equal to 1,000,000,000,000,000 grams. Symbol: Pg

41 doesnt sound like much

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

petagram


petagram (plural petagrams)

A unit of mass equal to 1,000,000,000,000,000 grams. Symbol: Pg

41 doesnt sound like much

But only 20 is allowed....

Top article listed on ESPN now.
Great...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

But only 20 is allowed....

20 doesnt sound like much either. Hey a bad test is a bad test but it is a stretch to say that 21 extra petagrams would help or be dangerous to a horse. Especially considering it is 1,000,000,000,000,000th of a gram.

[BillW]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

petagram


petagram (plural petagrams)

A unit of mass equal to 1,000,000,000,000,000 grams. Symbol: Pg

41 doesnt sound like much

Leave it to the press. A petagram is about 2,204,622,621,800 lbs. A horse would probably explode with an injection of that size. Could they be talking about a picogram (.001 billionths) or a femtogram ( .000001 billionths of a gram)?

Oh BTW, a petagram doesn't need a plural, there's nothing that big.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by BillW

Leave it to the press. A petagram is about 2,204,622,621,800 lbs. A horse would probably explode with an injection of that size. Could they be talking about a picogram (.001 billionths) or a femtogram ( .000001 billionths of a gram)?

Oh BTW, a petagram doesn't need a plural, there's nothing that big.

that might get you 30 days in KY

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by BillW

Leave it to the press. A petagram is about 2,204,622,621,800 lbs. A horse would probably explode with an injection of that size. Could they be talking about a picogram (.001 billionths) or a femtogram ( .000001 billionths of a gram)?

Oh BTW, a petagram doesn't need a plural, there's nothing that big.

classic.

[phystech]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is interesting that the levels were twice the allowable limits

Clenbuterol goes in the feed tub, right?

Is it possible then that feed tubs got mixed up?

Is it possible someone did up the feed and then someone else did it up again?

With 100 horses in the barn, mix ups occur.

Even if it was a mix up, Rick should pay the price..... no excuses.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by phystech

Clenbuterol goes in the feed tub, right?

Is it possible then that feed tubs got mixed up?

Is it possible someone did up the feed and then someone else did it up again?

With 100 horses in the barn, mix ups occur.

Even if it was a mix up, Rick should pay the price..... no excuses.

No it is usually given directly to the horse in the mouth. He didnt hve many horses here that week and his top people were here. He admits they gave it.