bad day at CD

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Ass told someone the horse sucked and would never be any good entered him for a tag. There is nothing Jackson can do in this situation..He can't demand to see the test results he has to do want the guy who is making him look good tells him to do ..ASS is winning a lot with Curlin I am sure ASS gets to do what he says is in Jackson's best interest..You can't just retire every horse that had an injury.. And his yearling price is kind of irrelavant

There's nothing Jackson can do? Come on, you're smarter than that. The trainer can't run him there unless the owner lets him. Yes, he's winning with Curlin, but that doesn't mean Asmussen gets to do whatever he wants. Asmussen works for Jackson; it's not the other way around.

I agree that you can't retire every horse that had an injury. That's not the point here. Here's an expensive yearling that ran a 2008 debut race that suggested he's worth far more than $50K unless he had a hole in him. I suppose you think that the suspicious drop in for a tag and the fact that the horse broke down are purely coincidental.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

There's nothing Jackson can do? Come on, you're smarter than that. The trainer can't run him there unless the owner lets him. Yes, he's winning with Curlin, but that doesn't mean Asmussen gets to do whatever he wants. Asmussen works for Jackson; it's not the other way around.

I agree that you can't retire every horse that had an injury. That's not the point here. Here's an expensive yearling that ran a 2008 debut race that suggested he's worth far more than $50K unless he had a hole in him. I suppose you think that the suspicious drop in for a tag and the fact that the horse broke down are purely coincidental.

So what is a major owner to do perhaps this would suffice:

Hire a Blue ribbon team of vet's
Engage them in a think tank that would analyze each and every horses medical status before said horse was entered.
Do complete medical testing after each and every movement(works or bowel)...

Come on already this horse had an issue but every single horse has an issue and too boot we are speculating that the horse had an issue that caused im to lose his life.

You can't possibly suggest that an owner with 100 head is suppose to be privy to all the medical issues of each and every animal.. Has far as we know.. ASS could have just told Jackson the horses didn't work out and Jess said lose him in a claimer..

So I bought this colt I send him to a quality trainer and he debuts with a 54 beyer and gets dinged up now my trainer after 4 months off gets the colt working again and says maybe we want to just go in claimer with the other dinged horses instead of a MSW.. Who am I to argue I hired the guy because he is suppose to have my best interests at heart and the horses. It's silly if you think I am going to retire him because he was laid up..

I am sorry the horse died but it happens and IMO Jackson is hardly to blame.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You can't possibly suggest that an owner with 100 head is suppose to be privy to all the medical issues of each and every animal.. Has far as we know.. ASS could have just told Jackson the horses didn't work out and Jess said lose him in a claimer..

So I bought this colt I send him to a quality trainer and he debuts with a 54 beyer and gets dinged up now my trainer after 4 months off gets the colt working again and says maybe we want to just go in claimer with the other dinged horses instead of a MSW.. Who am I to argue I hired the guy because he is suppose to have my best interests at heart and the horses. It's silly if you think I am going to retire him because he was laid up..

I am sorry the horse died but it happens and IMO Jackson is hardly to blame.

Assuming for the sake of argument that he has 100 horses in training (not likely), not every horse, especially one purchased for $700K, is running every day. And I as said in an earlier post, either he or his racing manager likely OK'd the horse being dropped for a tag.

The issue is not about retiring the horse; it's about whether the horse was sound to run on the day in question. If not, then the owner always has the option of laying him up to get over the problem. That's why we see layoff lines in DRF every day.

Look, the reason I pointed this one out is because Jackson, in his holier than thou testimony before Congress last week, challenged the industry to look out for the welfare of the horse. All signs indicate that, as it relates to Vinstar, he did not heed his own words. Those in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones (especially given the hypocrisy of him using Asmussen as his trainer).

[freddymo]

If the horse cost 170k or 700k it doesn't mattter.. You are missing the most important point.. His staff and or trainers would not have put the horse in the race if they thought he was not capable of competing and succeeding without incident.. The guy just lost 700k plus 18 months of training and vet fees use common sense did he need the 50k? He was told the horse was OK and that is the important part.. Remember this horse had how many workouts since the layoff without incident?

The last thing a guy needs is a horse to die on him and the thought that he but the horse in the race to hopefully get 50k is nuts

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

If the horse cost 170k or 700k it doesn't mattter.. You are missing the most important point.. His staff and or trainers would not have put the horse in the race if they thought he was not capable of competing and succeeding without incident.. The guy just lost 700k plus 18 months of training and vet fees use common sense did he need the 50k? He was told the horse was OK and that is the important part.. Remember this horse had how many workouts since the layoff without incident?

The last thing a guy needs is a horse to die on him and the thought that he but the horse in the race to hopefully get 50k is nuts

All of this is just speculation. (Admittedly, I'm assuming a few things as well.) I know that injuries are a part of racing; the soundest horse can take a bad step, and tragedy can occur. Sometimes accidents happen; sometimes, there are accidents waiting to happen, and this seemed like the latter. In this regard, this situation was reminiscent of the incident when Cadillac Cruiser broke down at Aqueduct last February. He was dropping off a good effort at $25,000 to $7,500 and broke down on the clubhouse turn. Under the cirsumstances, tough to call it strictly an accident.

You mentioned his workouts. Doesn't it raise a red flag that he was shipped to Keeneland from Churchill and that his last two workouts were over the Polytrack rather than a conventional dirt surface? And then he's dropped precipitously in price.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

All of this is just speculation. (Admittedly, I'm assuming a few things as well.) I know that injuries are a part of racing; the soundest horse can take a bad step, and tragedy can occur. Sometimes accidents happen; sometimes, there are accidents waiting to happen, and this seemed like the latter. In this regard, this situation was reminiscent of the incident when Cadillac Cruiser broke down at Aqueduct last February. He was dropping off a good effort at $25,000 to $7,500 and broke down on the clubhouse turn. Under the cirsumstances, tough to call it strictly an accident.

You mentioned his workouts. Doesn't it raise a red flag that he was shipped to Keeneland from Churchill and that his last two workouts were over the Polytrack rather than a conventional dirt surface? And then he's dropped precipitously in price.

The claimer had raced 40 times and they incident is not close to this IMO.

So you want a man who entered the business 20 minutes ago wallet a blazin and someone who knows less about horses then me to be able to figure out and more impotantly be accountable for how and were the horse(700k albatross) is working out? Its the mans hobby he employees what some people think are the most outstanding bloodstock agents(other then DrugS), farm managers, and trainers etc. to run his HOBBY.. Do you want the owner of the Knicks to not let a NBA player play even after a team of doctors and like personnel cleared him to play..

All an owner can do after this occurs is question his employees and suggest they use more common sense protecting his good name and even that is a lot to ask IMO

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The claimer had raced 40 times and they incident is not close to this IMO.

So you want a man who entered the business 20 minutes ago wallet a blazin and someone who knows less about horses then me to be able to figure out and more impotantly be accountable for how and were the horse(700k albatross) is working out? Its the mans hobby he employees what some people think are the most outstanding bloodstock agents(other then DrugS), farm managers, and trainers etc. to run his HOBBY.. Do you want the owner of the Knicks to not let a NBA player play even after a team of doctors and like personnel cleared him to play..

All an owner can do after this occurs is question his employees and suggest they use more common sense protecting his good name and even that is a lot to ask IMO

So, Jackson's ignorant, and we should give him a pass. If that's you view, fine. But it's certainly not the way Jackson has portrayed himself as he has led his "crusade" to clean up the sport.