bad day at CD

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

The horse that broke down in the first race and was subsequently euthanized (Vinstar) was a $700,000 Vindication dropping in to a $50,000 maiden claiming race off a credible MSW race in which he ran a 74 Beyer in his first start of the year. All the signs were that this horse had a hole in him. Perhaps Jess Jackson should look in the mirror before questioning how others take care of their horses.

You think Jess Jackson had a friggin clue about one of 100 horses he owns... Totally unfair...What is suppose to do find a nice home for the colt instead of trying to get him back to racing at some level..

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You think Jess Jackson had a friggin clue about one of 100 horses he owns... Totally unfair...What is suppose to do find a nice home for the colt instead of trying to get him back to racing at some level..

Unfair how? He's the owner. He's responsible, or at least his racing manager is. You think Asmussen just decided to enter this $700K yearling for $50K without getting the OK from Jackson or one of his representatives?? Off the horse's first race of the year (74 Beyer), it's hard to believe that this horse would be tagged for $50K without there being a serious (soundness) issue and the owner being made aware of it.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Unfair how? He's the owner. He's responsible, or at least his racing manager is. You think Asmussen just decided to enter this $700K yearling for $50K without getting the OK from Jackson or one of his representatives?? Off the horse's first race of the year (74 Beyer), it's hard to believe that this horse would be tagged for $50K without there being a serious (soundness) issue and the owner being made aware of it.

Ass told someone the horse sucked and would never be any good entered him for a tag. There is nothing Jackson can do in this situation..He can't demand to see the test results he has to do want the guy who is making him look good tells him to do ..ASS is winning a lot with Curlin I am sure ASS gets to do what he says is in Jackson's best interest..You can't just retire every horse that had an injury.. And his yearling price is kind of irrelavant

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Ass told someone the horse sucked and would never be any good entered him for a tag. There is nothing Jackson can do in this situation..He can't demand to see the test results he has to do want the guy who is making him look good tells him to do ..ASS is winning a lot with Curlin I am sure ASS gets to do what he says is in Jackson's best interest..You can't just retire every horse that had an injury.. And his yearling price is kind of irrelavant

There's nothing Jackson can do? Come on, you're smarter than that. The trainer can't run him there unless the owner lets him. Yes, he's winning with Curlin, but that doesn't mean Asmussen gets to do whatever he wants. Asmussen works for Jackson; it's not the other way around.

I agree that you can't retire every horse that had an injury. That's not the point here. Here's an expensive yearling that ran a 2008 debut race that suggested he's worth far more than $50K unless he had a hole in him. I suppose you think that the suspicious drop in for a tag and the fact that the horse broke down are purely coincidental.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

There's nothing Jackson can do? Come on, you're smarter than that. The trainer can't run him there unless the owner lets him. Yes, he's winning with Curlin, but that doesn't mean Asmussen gets to do whatever he wants. Asmussen works for Jackson; it's not the other way around.

I agree that you can't retire every horse that had an injury. That's not the point here. Here's an expensive yearling that ran a 2008 debut race that suggested he's worth far more than $50K unless he had a hole in him. I suppose you think that the suspicious drop in for a tag and the fact that the horse broke down are purely coincidental.

So what is a major owner to do perhaps this would suffice:

Hire a Blue ribbon team of vet's
Engage them in a think tank that would analyze each and every horses medical status before said horse was entered.
Do complete medical testing after each and every movement(works or bowel)...

Come on already this horse had an issue but every single horse has an issue and too boot we are speculating that the horse had an issue that caused im to lose his life.

You can't possibly suggest that an owner with 100 head is suppose to be privy to all the medical issues of each and every animal.. Has far as we know.. ASS could have just told Jackson the horses didn't work out and Jess said lose him in a claimer..

So I bought this colt I send him to a quality trainer and he debuts with a 54 beyer and gets dinged up now my trainer after 4 months off gets the colt working again and says maybe we want to just go in claimer with the other dinged horses instead of a MSW.. Who am I to argue I hired the guy because he is suppose to have my best interests at heart and the horses. It's silly if you think I am going to retire him because he was laid up..

I am sorry the horse died but it happens and IMO Jackson is hardly to blame.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You can't possibly suggest that an owner with 100 head is suppose to be privy to all the medical issues of each and every animal.. Has far as we know.. ASS could have just told Jackson the horses didn't work out and Jess said lose him in a claimer..

So I bought this colt I send him to a quality trainer and he debuts with a 54 beyer and gets dinged up now my trainer after 4 months off gets the colt working again and says maybe we want to just go in claimer with the other dinged horses instead of a MSW.. Who am I to argue I hired the guy because he is suppose to have my best interests at heart and the horses. It's silly if you think I am going to retire him because he was laid up..

I am sorry the horse died but it happens and IMO Jackson is hardly to blame.

Assuming for the sake of argument that he has 100 horses in training (not likely), not every horse, especially one purchased for $700K, is running every day. And I as said in an earlier post, either he or his racing manager likely OK'd the horse being dropped for a tag.

The issue is not about retiring the horse; it's about whether the horse was sound to run on the day in question. If not, then the owner always has the option of laying him up to get over the problem. That's why we see layoff lines in DRF every day.

Look, the reason I pointed this one out is because Jackson, in his holier than thou testimony before Congress last week, challenged the industry to look out for the welfare of the horse. All signs indicate that, as it relates to Vinstar, he did not heed his own words. Those in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones (especially given the hypocrisy of him using Asmussen as his trainer).

[freddymo]

If the horse cost 170k or 700k it doesn't mattter.. You are missing the most important point.. His staff and or trainers would not have put the horse in the race if they thought he was not capable of competing and succeeding without incident.. The guy just lost 700k plus 18 months of training and vet fees use common sense did he need the 50k? He was told the horse was OK and that is the important part.. Remember this horse had how many workouts since the layoff without incident?

The last thing a guy needs is a horse to die on him and the thought that he but the horse in the race to hopefully get 50k is nuts

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You think Jess Jackson had a friggin clue about one of 100 horses he owns... Totally unfair...What is suppose to do find a nice home for the colt instead of trying to get him back to racing at some level..

why should he, or any owner, get a pass for this? it's crap like this 'oh, too many horses-can't keep track' mindset that has caused a lot of the issues that racing and its' fans are facing today. if he can't pay attention to his stock, then he shouldn't have any! whether he paid $10 or $10 million, if the horse had no business on the track, he shouldn't have been there. the horse was thrown away basically--but since it's owned by curlin's owner, it's ok?!?! bullsh!t.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

why should he, or any owner, get a pass for this? it's crap like this 'oh, too many horses-can't keep track' mindset that has caused a lot of the issues that racing and its' fans are facing today. if he can't pay attention to his stock, then he shouldn't have any! whether he paid $10 or $10 million, if the horse had no business on the track, he shouldn't have been there. the horse was thrown away basically--but since it's owned by curlin's owner, it's ok?!?! bullsh!t.

The truth of the matter is that the majority of owners don't know what is going on with their horses. They trust their trainer and let him make the decisions. The trainer may not even tell the owner if the horse has a problem

That's not always the case. There are some owners who are very actively involved. There are some trainers that tell their owners everything. They will tell their owners exactly what is wrong with their horse. If a horse comes back from a work with a slightly puffy ankle, they will tell their owners immediately.

I don't know the relationship between Jackson and Asmussen and I don't know how actively Jackson is involved. I don't know if Asmussen tells Jackson when a horse has a problem.

But I would say that in general, when you have one of these big-time, smooth talking trainers working for a really rich guy that doesn't know much about horses, the owner will usually know very little about what is going on physically with his horses.