Best race in Delaware Park history???

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

One other thing I disagree with. I don't think Storm Cat is the sire of sires that you and a lot of others think he is.

He's had a few nice sires, like GC and Stormy Atlantic, but what other top notch sires has he gotten?

I certainly wouldn't rate him as the next Northern Dancer, Mr. Prospector, or even Gone West.

he was a bust as a sire of sires til the giant came along. thing is, giant's causeway's fee is huge, so you have to consider the ROI with him, as compared to a horse like indian charlie. having a giants baby not sell would be a lot bigger loss to swallow than an IC for instance...

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Danzig

he was a bust as a sire of sires til the giant came along. thing is, giant's causeway's fee is huge, so you have to consider the ROI with him, as compared to a horse like indian charlie. having a giants baby not sell would be a lot bigger loss to swallow than an IC for instance...

giants causeway has the potential to be one of the best sires ever, i have been saying that for years...

as for him on the track, well listen, ppl on this site say curlin would get destroyed in the ARC, so what does that say about the giant, he came here first time on dirt vs americas best, and almost got it done.... he is very underated as a race horse and sire.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

giants causeway has the potential to be one of the best sires ever, i have been saying that for years...

Not if he stays in the United States. His stud fee has steadily dropped over the past few years, and if he doesn't produce a "big horse" on the dirt soon, he'll be viewed as simply a turf sire.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Not if he stays in the United States. His stud fee has steadily dropped over the past few years, and if he doesn't produce a "big horse" on the dirt soon, he'll be viewed as simply a turf sire.

heatseeker
first samurai

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

heatseeker
first samurai

First Samurai is retired. Heatseeker is an older horse that has thrived on synthetic surfaces, and did not win a stakes race here until he was 5; he's not going to change Giant's Causeway's perception. GC needs to produce a good 2YO or 3YO on conventional dirt or his stock will continue to fall.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

First Samurai is retired. Heatseeker is an older horse that has thrived on synthetic surfaces, and did not win a stakes race here until he was 5; he's not going to change Giant's Causeway's perception. GC needs to produce a good 2YO or 3YO on conventional dirt or his stock will continue to fall.

first sam, he was a great 2 yr old... on conventional dirt... and with racing now a days, major meets like keenland on synthatic, i dont really think it matters.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

first sam, he was a great 2 yr old... on conventional dirt... and with racing now a days, major meets like keenland on synthatic, i dont really think it matters.

If the fact that he hasn't produced a top 2YO or 3YO dirt horse in this country in the past three years doesn't matter (First Samurai was in his first crop), then why then has his advertised stud fee dropped from $300,000 to $125,000?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

giants causeway has the potential to be one of the best sires ever, i have been saying that for years...

as for him on the track, well listen, ppl on this site say curlin would get destroyed in the ARC, so what does that say about the giant, he came here first time on dirt vs americas best, and almost got it done.... he is very underated as a race horse and sire.

GC always got his just due as a racer, and he's overrated as a sire. especially by you.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I actually disagree that he gets his due for what he did on the track, at least in this country. He is overated as a sire and this fascination stuff is weird. But he was a hell of a runner.

i thought he got a lot of credit here, especially after his bc--and that that was why they kept him here to stand.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Maybe I'm remembering it wrong. Either way I need to get out of this conversation soon or my head is going to explode.

please stay

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Maybe I'm remembering it wrong. Either way I need to get out of this conversation soon or my head is going to explode.

what's wrong dahoss, the tone getting too shrill in here?

or was it the 'heatseeker can run with curlin' comment??

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what's wrong dahoss, the tone getting too shrill in here?

or was it the 'heatseeker can run with curlin' comment??

i said i think, and if not heatseeker then who else ?

if they raced today on AWT, who wins ?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i said i think, and if not heatseeker then who else ?

if they raced today on AWT, who wins ?

i really have no idea, and i don't think it'll ever happen anyway. i usually will talk about what has happened, not speculate about things that probably won't.
heatseeker couldn't beat tiago (and yes, he was giving weight) so i''m supposed to think he can get curlin out of a canter?

i don't think any horse out there, based on current form, can beat curlin on dirt.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

giants causeway has the potential to be one of the best sires ever, i have been saying that for years....

Do you think he will prove to be a better sire than my all-time favorite horse, Sunday Silence?
Right now of course, he isn't anywhere close to the same league as SS, but even if you think he'll get there someday, do you mind if I use the time we're waiting for that day to come composing dozens of posts a day reminding everyone that Sunday Silence was a really good sire?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Do you think he will prove to be a better sire than my all-time favorite horse, Sunday Silence?
Right now of course, he isn't anywhere close to the same league as SS, but even if you think he'll get there someday, do you mind if I use the time we're waiting for that day to come composing dozens of posts a day reminding everyone that Sunday Silence was a really good sire?

it would break the monotony. at least sunday silence was great in both careers!!

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Do you think he will prove to be a better sire than my all-time favorite horse, Sunday Silence?
Right now of course, he isn't anywhere close to the same league as SS, but even if you think he'll get there someday, do you mind if I use the time we're waiting for that day to come composing dozens of posts a day reminding everyone that Sunday Silence was a really good sire?

i dont know... sire wise giant is still very young

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What is your weird thing with Giants Causeway? How did it start?

just consider my point about him as a race horse not a sire, ppl on this website say curlin will get crushed in the ARC, but dident giant causeway do the same thing, he came here for are best race, and just missed

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What is your weird thing with Giants Causeway? How did it start?

it started in the breeders cup, i just had a feelings, i boxed him and tiznow, pretty big bet, and hit it.... then i looked up on him, watched his races and realized he was a amazing horse, with a amazing pedigree

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

it started in the breeders cup, i just had a feelings, i boxed him and tiznow, pretty big bet, and hit it.... then i looked up on him, watched his races and realized he was a amazing horse, with a amazing pedigree

you'd be better off cheering for tiznow, he's turning out to be quite a sire, without the price tag.

and they asked for dirt horses, heatseeker is a dirt horse? besides, if that's the best/all he can produce at his price, he needs to go back to the uk.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you'd be better off cheering for tiznow, he's turning out to be quite a sire, without the price tag.

and they asked for dirt horses, heatseeker is a dirt horse? besides, if that's the best/all he can produce at his price, he needs to go back to the uk.

heetseeker is the second best older horse in the usa right now, and you really cant even argue that...

and oaklawn park is dirt ? correct ? heetseeker did run huge there, and earned a decent number, comparable to curlins races.