W/E Beyers - REVISED Curlin 110

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

But what everyone else didn't seem to understand was that I don't base on projections. Whether or not she wanted to run a single step futher than 8 or 8.5f was irrelevant at that point to me. What was relevant was that up to that point and distance, she had proven as much as anyone else in the crop had. But it's really not worth getting into this debate again.

Just one last thing though. Races at 10f aren't the only things I consider when evaluating. They also run races at distances of 6f, 7f, 8f, and 9f. I feel that at the distances that the majority of races are run for 3yo's, she's still arguably in the top five of 3yo's this year. I'd take her over Pyro if both were running in the Dwyer. Of course, I'd take that horse that beat her in her last over both of them. And the other horse that's beaten her, Proud Spell, I'd take her too. Both of the ones that have beaten her are no slouches and make cases for themselves to be considered top five 3yo's this year too.

SHE IS 100% top 5, and shes a champion, ppl fail to understand that

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Spare me the champion stuff. There is just no way that she is top 5 right now. As it is, she's the 3rd best filly after Proud Spell and Zaftig and that's real debateable because I think Pure Clan is better at this point than Indian Blessing. And what about Akoma? Indian Blessing is nice, but the field has caught up with her this year.

shes top 5, even if its 5, shes still top 5

[jcs11204]

shes is better then pure clan... i can say that without a doubt

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I grant you that she may be the third best filly behind those two. But I just can't pick out two colts that I think are better than her. That's my thing. After Big Brown, I don't see another one.

the fillies are tons stronger this year, they are carrying the 3 yrold crop

[jcs11204]

i am also pretty sure that indian blessing has defeated proud spell 2-3 times head to head

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i am also pretty sure that indian blessing has defeated proud spell 2-3 times head to head

I shouldn't bother responding to you, but let me explain something to you, history is the guide to evaluating horses, and one thing that happens is that some horses move forward more than others. So, just because one horse finished ahead of another in the past does not mean that horse is always better than it's rival.

I'm glad you love the game, and I'm glad that you are enthusiastic, but you would be well served by listening more and typing less.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I shouldn't bother responding to you, but let me explain something to you, history is the guide to evaluating horses, and one thing that happens is that some horses move forward more than others. So, just because one horse finished ahead of another in the past does not mean that horse is always better than it's rival.

I'm glad you love the game, and I'm glad that you are enthusiastic, but you would be well served by listening more and typing less.

i do listen...

[jcs11204]

why spare the champion stuff ? she is A CHAMPION, MOST OF these other 3 yr olds will never accomplish that title

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

why spare the champion stuff ? she is A CHAMPION, MOST OF these other 3 yr olds will never accomplish that title

I'd say it's slightly more difficult to be an "official" champion among three-year-olds than it is among two-year-old fillies.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I love your lists, so who are the top 5 3 year olds right now?

3 yr olds ? or 3 yr old filles ?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

3 year olds period which can include males and fillies. You said no doubt she is top 5.

in no order...

indian blessing
zatfig
proud spell
big brown
casino drive or mint lane i guess ? ? ? ? ?
whats yours ?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I grant you that she may be the third best filly behind those two. But I just can't pick out two colts that I think are better than her. That's my thing. After Big Brown, I don't see another one.

So, you think she would beat J Be K at 7F?

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

And while I granted you that IB MAY be the third best 3yo filly, I'm not totally conceding that to you. Let me ask you something. Obviously, at 9f and maybe even at 8.5f, you select Proud Spell over IB. But what if they were racing at under 8f? Would you still select PS? To me, those races count too. Proud Spell can beat IB in the Oaks and in the Alabama. Maybe IB can beat PS in the Acorn and in the Test. I don't say that makes PS automatically better because she wins at longer distances.

There are 15 3 yo F G1's left this year.

2 are on turf
1 is sprinting on synthetic
2 are sprinting on dirt
10 are 8F or more on dirt.

Indian Blessing best get it done right quick as both dirt sprints are in the next six weeks.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

There are 15 3 yo F G1's left this year.

2 are on turf
1 is sprinting on synthetic
2 are sprinting on dirt
10 are 8F or more on dirt.

Indian Blessing best get it done right quick as both dirt sprints are in the next six weeks.

Calder?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Calder?

Isn't their Grade 1 sprint for females for 3YOs and up? Or is it even a Grade 1?

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Calder?

The Rooney is their G1. 3&up F/M. I think the Azalea is a G3, I think. That's the 3 yo F race.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Belmont and Saratoga. The Prioress and Test.

Oh yeah, I was thinking there was another one on that summit of speed program.

[blackthroatedwind]

Well, since she's obviously better than all the male 3YO sprinters out there I think you should also include the King's Bishop. She can win that after winning the Test.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I get that. I understand where the money and prestige are in this country. That doesn't necessarily mean that's what's the best though.

Why not? How else would you figure it?

I think Xtra Heat won the Eclipse as a 3 yo and she was a sprinter. But she actually won sprints as a 3yo.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Back to Indian Blessing for a second. Let's say she can't beat Proud Spell at 9f but can beat her at 7f. And let's say she can't beat J Be K at 7f. She may be able to beat him at 9f. It gets interesting.

Interesting for whom?

Indian Blessing is below more than a few ( and I mean more than five...and probably more than ten ) horses of her generation at pretty much any distance. The fact that she could maybe ( and it's unlikely ) finish ahead of one at 1 1/8 that she can't beat at 7F is meaningless, as there are 20, and probably more, others that can pick up the mantel and drown her at the longer distances.

The bottom line is that she has not moved forward from last year, and quite a few have, which is all that matters now. She is a very good horse but there are precious few meaningful races that she can still win. I don't think, given her natural speed, that she is completely impossible for the BC F&M Sprint, but assuming even Dream Rush sticks around, it's hard to believe she can outrun that one early and then stave off the closers. And, that's just off the top of my head. The bottom line is she does not seem to have taken a step forward from last year.