Wow, someone actually gets it...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

There is no reason to believe the feds cannot have a positive impact, especially as the states, the tracks and the hosermens' groups have proven they are unable or unwilling to address the medication abuse issues. There is also no reason to jump so far forward that people would believe that if there is some fed regulation, there would be no state oversight.

There s no good reason there cannot be federal legislation addressing medication and slaughter issues with the states responsible for other regulation and administration of all regs.

There are federal laws that apply to the insurance industry and yet states are responsible for regulation.

And not loving a sport or business has nothing to do with whether you can regulate it.

If you believe this will actually happen there is a bridge that i can sell you...


Though I believe that the RMTC has done many things the wrong way the basic mission that they have is a good one. To say that nothing has been done concerning the drug issue is wrong. It may have not been conducted in the most efficent or effective manner but to act as though nothing has been done or that the feds will have a better plan is simply wrong.

Horse slaughter is not a horseracing problem, it is a people problem. The vast majority of horses sent for slaughter arent racehorses. If there were effective laws made by Congress, horseslaughter would not be an issue. Of course then all the unwanted horses roaming around starving would become an issue as it has already.

Only you can believe that Whitfield 1 and 2 have good intentions especially in light of her humane Society connection after she magically appeared at the KHRA's doorstep.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you believe this will actually happen there is a horse that i can sell you....

FTFY

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you believe this will actually happen there is a bridge that i can sell you...


Though I believe that the RMTC has done many things the wrong way the basic mission that they have is a good one. To say that nothing has been done concerning the drug issue is wrong. It may have not been conducted in the most efficent or effective manner but to act as though nothing has been done or that the feds will have a better plan is simply wrong.

Horse slaughter is not a horseracing problem, it is a people problem. The vast majority of horses sent for slaughter arent racehorses. If there were effective laws made by Congress, horseslaughter would not be an issue. Of course then all the unwanted horses roaming around starving would become an issue as it has already.

Only you can believe that Whitfield 1 and 2 have good intentions especially in light of her humane Society connection after she magically appeared at the KHRA's doorstep.

I have been donating to RMTC for a few years and their intentions are good. But their results are pretty lousy. So, I have bought the bridge. You are too late.

The positive steps by RMTC and NTRA are akin to running the ball late in the 4th quarter while you are down 3 touchdowns.

The industry groups are far too incestuous. Nothing gets done. The penalties for breaking rules are next to nothing.

Yet, you and other trainers and owners say that steroids do not enhance performance. Is that bridge still for sale?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I have been donating to RMTC for a few years and their intentions are good. But their results are pretty lousy. So, I have bought the bridge. You are too late.

The positive steps by RMTC and NTRA are akin to running the ball late in the 4th quarter while you are down 3 touchdowns.

The industry groups are far too incestuous. Nothing gets done. The penalties for breaking rules are next to nothing.

Yet, you and other trainers and owners say that steroids do not enhance performance. Is that bridge still for sale?

The RMTC and its goals have not progressed fast enough for many simply because of the political nature of their mission. They concentrated on the penalty phase first before the research was properly done which is backwards. To think that this Congressional inquiry will not go down that same path is amusing.

Steroids dont enhance performance but you can believe whatever you want.

What you and most others are not getting that this whole thing is NOT about helping horseracing. It is about helping Ed Whitfield and helping further his wife's organizations agenda. Horseracing is not the primary goal here, it is the vehicle to get what this guy wants.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The RMTC and its goals have not progressed fast enough for many simply because of the political nature of their mission. They concentrated on the penalty phase first before the research was properly done which is backwards. To think that this Congressional inquiry will not go down that same path is amusing.

Steroids dont enhance performance but you can believe whatever you want.

What you and most others are not getting that this whole thing is NOT about helping horseracing. It is about helping Ed Whitfield and helping further his wife's organizations agenda. Horseracing is not the primary goal here, it is the vehicle to get what this guy wants.

No, I get the politics. My wife worked for a U.S. senator for several years. I get it very well.

The RMTC politics are there because they have no power and are funded by the very groups whose behavior they are are trying to change and those groups do not want change.

And, yes, I do thing steroids enhance performance. Do you really think Lyle Alzado would have been just as good off the gook?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

No, I get the politics. My wife worked for a U.S. senator for several years. I get it very well.

The RMTC politics are there because they have no power and are funded by the very groups whose behavior they are are trying to change and those groups do not want change.

And, yes, I do thing steroids enhance performance. Do you really think Lyle Alzado would have been just as good off the gook?

Lyle Alzado is not a horse. Chocolate kills dogs. Different species, Different uses, different dosages. And if you get the politics than you have no excuse for not seeing this for what it is. It is not about the issues nearly as much as it is about the agenda.

[Kasept]

http://www.kentucky.com/254/v-print/story/435717.html

Piece dealing specifically on Damon...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Kasept

http://www.kentucky.com/254/v-print/story/435717.html

Piece dealing specifically on Damon...

Thayer also said Connie Whitfield has a conflict of interest because she is also a vice president of the Humane Society of the United States.

Good link, thanks.

The scariest thing for someone that loves, owns, or breeds animals to hear is, "PETA wants to help protect your animals".

And the second scariest is, "The Humane Society of the United States is here to enact legislation to help your animals"

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Lyle Alzado is not a horse. Chocolate kills dogs. Different species, Different uses, different dosages. And if you get the politics than you have no excuse for not seeing this for what it is. It is not about the issues nearly as much as it is about the agenda.

You left out the fact the RMTC and NTRA are run funded by people who will resist change. The Stamps kid. Van Whoopwhoop. On and on.

Bubba's been eating chocolate for years. No problems. Yet.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

You left out the fact the RMTC and NTRA are run funded by people who will resist change. The Stamps kid. Van Whoopwhoop. On and on.

Bubba's been eating chocolate for years. No problems. Yet.

Are you kidding? The RMTC was designed to be the hammer to make changes, hence the penalties phase being handled first.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Lyle Alzado is not a horse. Chocolate kills dogs. Different species, Different uses, different dosages. And if you get the politics than you have no excuse for not seeing this for what it is. It is not about the issues nearly as much as it is about the agenda.

Maybe the question should be posed a different way: if you were to take the steroids away, would performance decline?

If the answer is "no," then a lot of trainers who have stated that they use steroids because they would be at a competitive disadvantage if they don't use them (Tagg and Amoss said so publicly the week of the Belmont) are sadly mistaken.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Maybe the question should be posed a different way: if you were to take the steroids away, would performance decline?

If the answer is "no," then a lot of trainers who have stated that they use steroids because they would be at a competitive disadvantage if they don't use them (Tagg and Amoss said so publicly the week of the Belmont) are sadly mistaken.

If I had vitamins that helped my horses recover from a race faster than people without those same vitamins would I not have an advantage? If i has special hay that kept weight on nervous fillies and others did not have it, would i not have an advantage? Would performance decline in an individual horse? Possibly. If we took away gastrogard from certain horses I know for a fact that their performances will decline. People dont understand the issue of anabolic steroids and their effects in horses versus humans. If you feel the need to be outraged or mad than turn your anger on the racing commissions which never put in effect regulations concerning them. But now they are overcompensating and casting stones at horseman like we are the bad guys. It is not a black and white, good guys versus bad guys issue yet it will most definitely be portrayed that way during this Federal hearing especially in light of the 'witness' list.

[Rileyoriley]

Only you can believe that Whitfield 1 and 2 have good intentions especially in light of her humane Society connection after she magically appeared at the KHRA's doorstep.[/quote]





From what I understand, they are being very selective about who will testify. Others who have asked to testify ( and in my opinion, would be very good witness's) have been declined. This appears to be very one-sided. Again, just my opinion.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

Only you can believe that Whitfield 1 and 2 have good intentions especially in light of her humane Society connection after she magically appeared at the KHRA's doorstep.

From what I understand, they are being very selective about who will testify. Others who have asked to testify ( and in my opinion, would be very good witness's) have been declined. This appears to be very one-sided. Again, just my opinion.[/quote]
yeah a loaded deck. stunning development.