Saturdays Top Performers ?

[kgar311]

Does anyone think that Eistein put in a hell of a performance? I remember a few posts that began with "why" and "poorly handled" I think he made a real good showing for himself.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Does anyone think that Eistein put in a hell of a performance? I remember a few posts that began with "why" and "poorly handled" I think he made a real good showing for himself.

Not really that impressed. . . he ran a similar race to his race in the Donn probably. I liked Tizdejavu in his last race but was shocked by how he ran today. Granted, he did get an easy lead, but the way he opened up was pretty impressive and wasn't something I was expecting. Gravitational ran pretty big too - he might be one to watch. I wish Hystericalady and Ginger Punch had run in the same race. . .

[kgar311]

I think there is some short sightedness when it comes to this race and what they were trying to do. I think this was a test to see how he would do against the "rest" of the handicap division. Curlin does not look like hes pointing towards the BCC and who knows about BB. So seeing the classic is being run on the turf, oh I mean polytrack, I think this is a good sign that they might and I mean might, try pointing this horse to the classic if they can get a similar field minus Curlin.

[hockey2315]

Then shouldn't they have run him on poly?

[kgar311]

No, the top handicappers aren't racing on poly and if he can beat them on their own turf, no pun intended, then im sure he will have an easier time with them on poly. I believe a poly with be thrown in the near future. Maybe the pacific classic?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by kgar311

No, the top handicappers aren't racing on poly and if he can beat them on their own turf, no pun intended, then im sure he will have an easier time with them on poly. I believe a poly with be thrown in the near future. Maybe the pacific classic?

This doesn't make sense. . .

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

This doesn't make sense. . .

That doesnt make sense. Explain???

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by kgar311

No, the top handicappers aren't racing on poly and if he can beat them on their own turf, no pun intended, then im sure he will have an easier time with them on poly. I believe a poly with be thrown in the near future. Maybe the pacific classic?

Who outside of curlin are the top handicappers?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who outside of curlin are the top handicappers?

on dirt? lol that's an incredibly short list. it includes:





as for AWT, i'd imagine heatseeker and tiago would be first to be mentioned.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by kgar311

I So seeing the classic is being run on the turf, oh I mean polytrack, I think this is a good sign that they might and I mean might, try pointing this horse to the classic if they can get a similar field minus Curlin.

Cushion track is not Polytrack. Poly was designed for turfers in GB to work on when the gallops were wet, and to race on in the winter when the turf is 'way too soft to race on. Cushion has a completely different origin, and seems to play much more like traditional dirt.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Cushion track is not Polytrack. Poly was designed for turfers in GB to work on when the gallops were wet, and to race on in the winter when the turf is 'way too soft to race on. Cushion has a completely different origin, and seems to play much more like traditional dirt.

All of it is crap to me anyways. So now instead of track bias we need to handicap which type of wax they are running on too? What ever happened to dirt and turf. All of these non horsemen intellectuals are overthinking and ruining the game.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Cushion track is not Polytrack. Poly was designed for turfers in GB to work on when the gallops were wet, and to race on in the winter when the turf is 'way too soft to race on. Cushion has a completely different origin, and seems to play much more like traditional dirt.

altho there are various brand names, i'd imagine that when someone says cushion, poly, tapeta, they're talking about an AWT. at any rate, they're all NOT dirt.

[Cannon Shell]

As opposed to the compelling question of Einstein running on polytrack, I would love to know where Curlin will run next assuming he has the same ownership issues in NY that Einstein does and he surely wont be pointed to synthetic track races which rules out California? Maybe the Arlington million or Islen?

[Danzig]

guess it depends on whether or not they can get the new york license snafu taken care of. but it's a good question.

if they really want to run him on turf, surely they would stay in country and try it first, rather than the arc be his first time?? but that begs the question...if he can run on turf, can he run on poly? of course the two don't always go hand in hand...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by kgar311

I think there is some short sightedness when it comes to this race and what they were trying to do. I think this was a test to see how he would do against the "rest" of the handicap division. Curlin does not look like hes pointing towards the BCC and who knows about BB. So seeing the classic is being run on the turf, oh I mean polytrack, I think this is a good sign that they might and I mean might, try pointing this horse to the classic if they can get a similar field minus Curlin.

They ran him there because there were few options available especially so with his ownership situation and the fact it was a big money race. You may be correct in that they may point to the classic but that was not the intention of running in this race but may be a result of it.

[Strategic Mission]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Does anyone think that Eistein put in a hell of a performance? I remember a few posts that began with "why" and "poorly handled" I think he made a real good showing for himself.

No. He wasn't even close and he got 10 pounds. He has a chance at a turf Eclipse and they are running him on the dirt. Makes no sense. He can't compete with top dirt horses and the Donn showed that.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

No. He wasn't even close and he got 10 pounds. He has a chance at a turf Eclipse and they are running him on the dirt. Makes no sense. He can't compete with top dirt horses and the Donn showed that.

Are you talkin about a race that happened back in January? And yea he wasnt even close yesterday but nobody was or could be. I liked the run he made in the stretch.

[Strategic Mission]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Are you talkin about a race that happened back in January? And yea he wasnt even close yesterday but nobody was or could be. I liked the run he made in the stretch.

February, but yes. He is a grade 1 turf horse and basically a grade 2/3 dirt horse that was easily handled yesterday. If you want to try to steal a grade 1 dirt race for breeding reasons you don't do it with Curlin in there. The Suburban is in 2 weeks and they could have tried that. He might actually be able to beat the mediocre horses that will show up for that. He probably should have run in the Manhattan last week.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

February, but yes. He is a grade 1 turf horse and basically a grade 2/3 dirt horse that was easily handled yesterday. If you want to try to steal a grade 1 dirt race for breeding reasons you don't do it with Curlin in there. The Suburban is in 2 weeks and they could have tried that. He might actually be able to beat the mediocre horses that will show up for that. He probably should have run in the Manhattan last week.

The whole handicap division is loaded with grade 2 or 3 horses or worse NW's running in Grade 1's. And their intention was not to beat Curin yesterday it was to run exactly the way he did. "Big Picture"

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