IEAH still whining, threatening to go to Haskell

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by CSC

I feel sorry for the horse, he is hated by association to the Owner and Trainer. He really isn't a bad horse, but it's sure hard rooting for him with those 2 constantly putting their foots in their mouths.

I'm sure the horse doesnt care if people hate him

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm sure the horse doesnt care if people hate him

I hope not, I read he was booed off the track after the Belmont. Well he's in good company then, they used to boo Bobby Orr everytime he touched the puck outside of Boston.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Retire him already!

Sick of the 'Days of Our Lives' soap opera with this bunch.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by CSC

I hope not, I read he was booed off the track after the Belmont. Well he's in good company then, they used to boo Bobby Orr everytime he touched the puck outside of Boston.

That's not particularly accurate. There were only a smattering of boos - from those on the apron of the track. And I'm sure some of them could have been directed at Desormeaux, as he was wrestling with the horse in the stretch.

In that vein, I remember hearing more boos for Sunday Silence when he came on the track for the 1989 Belmont when he faced "New York's Easy Goer."

[Rupert Pupkin]

I just heard some very interesting gossip from one of my trainers. He told me that Dutrow was not happy with the way the horse looked on Thursday and Friday and that he wanted to scratch the horse but that Iavarrone pretty much insisted on running.

I'm getting this information third-hand, so there is no guarantee that it is true. The info is from a good source. If I had to bet, I would bet that it's true but I can't guarantee it.

The guy who told my trainer on Friday night, told him that he was going to bet all kind of exotics and leave Big Brown out.

The reason I am just getting the information now is because the trainer that told me is a trainer that we only have one horse with and I only talk to him once a week at the most.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I just heard some very interesting gossip from one of my trainers. He told me that Dutrow was not happy with the way the horse looked on Thursday and Friday and that he wanted to scratch the horse but that Iavarrone pretty much insisted on running.

I'm getting this information third-hand, so there is no guarantee that it is true. The info is from a good source. If I had to bet, I would bet that it's true but I can't guarantee it.

The guy who told my trainer on Friday night, told him that he was going to bet all kind of exotics and leave Big Brown out.

The reason I am just getting the information now is because the trainer that told me is a trainer that we only have one horse with and I only talk to him once a week at the most.

This is the kind of talk that always comes out of situations like this. What's even more common is that at each level the story gets more and more distorted each time it's told -- like the game children play -- "Telephone".

I wouldn't completely dismiss it, but I certainly wouldn't give it tremendous credibility like you said. Personally, I am more interested in what people like John Nerud have to say. Having been in this business my entire adult life I have always found it interesting to hear what the real legends from our sport have to say.

In this case, there will never be any real answers unless something substantial comes up in the near future -- some sort of injury or the like. Of course I hope that's not the case. Regardless, this is the kind of thing our sport truly doesn't need.

Eric

[Storm Cadet]

ELA: Then you'll love reading this!

http://news.bloodhorse.com/article/45678.htm

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet

ELA: Then you'll love reading this!

http://news.bloodhorse.com/article/45678.htm

"Turner sensed the same fear of humiliation at work in Desormeaux’ performance—a kind of “no mas” ride that had the same bad odor to it."

Finally, someone who agrees with me!

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet

ELA: Then you'll love reading this!

http://news.bloodhorse.com/article/45678.htm

Yeah, I read that, as well as another piece with Turner's comments. I understand his mindset and where's he's coming from, but I don't see it as being that black and white. Personally, I think Desormeaux made a judgement call. I don't think it was to "save face" or anything of the like. I'd rather see Kent pull the horse up than to see the horse potentially get hurt, or even go down on the track from duress -- which while it didn't happen, that could have been what Desormeaux was trying to avoid.

The bottom line is that we just don't know what we don't know. Hindsight is always 20/20, brilliant thinking and obvious.

Eric

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet

ELA: Then you'll love reading this!

http://news.bloodhorse.com/article/45678.htm

I don't know how Turner could say that the horse would have beaten most of the field. I don't know which race he was watching. It looked to me like BB might have beaten one horse if he didn't ease.

By the way, as I mentioned before, in the interview with Dan Patrick, Desormeaux did admit that, "The only instruction I was given was, 'If he can't win, take it easy on him'."

I think it is pretty obvious that the connections had serious concerns about the horse's condition going into the race or they would have never given Kent those instructions.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I just heard some very interesting gossip from one of my trainers. He told me that Dutrow was not happy with the way the horse looked on Thursday and Friday and that he wanted to scratch the horse but that Iavarrone pretty much insisted on running.

I'm getting this information third-hand, so there is no guarantee that it is true. The info is from a good source. If I had to bet, I would bet that it's true but I can't guarantee it.

The guy who told my trainer on Friday night, told him that he was going to bet all kind of exotics and leave Big Brown out.

The reason I am just getting the information now is because the trainer that told me is a trainer that we only have one horse with and I only talk to him once a week at the most.

That is some interesting stuff Rupert and if you watched Dutrow toward the end of the week, you could kind of pick up a little bit of worry with his body language and all if not his words.

I totally believe this. that horse was not right on saturday and he was ultimately done in by a couple of different factors.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

That's not particularly accurate. There were only a smattering of boos - from those on the apron of the track. And I'm sure some of them could have been directed at Desormeaux, as he was wrestling with the horse in the stretch.

In that vein, I remember hearing more boos for Sunday Silence when he came on the track for the 1989 Belmont when he faced "New York's Easy Goer."

Thanks for the clarification, I would hope it was only a smattering. When you get booed in N.Y I guess you can say you made it baby.

[SniperSB23]

Could this group get any more dysfunctional?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/horse...sormeaux_N.htm

Iavarone said Big Brown will probably be pointed toward the Aug. 3 Haskell Invitational at New Jersey's Monmouth Park as a prep race for the Aug. 23 Travers Stakes. He is not contemplating a jockey change.

"I don't like that move," Dutrow said of the Haskell. He said he'd prefer to train up to the Travers.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Could this group get any more dysfunctional?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/horse...sormeaux_N.htm

Iavarone said Big Brown will probably be pointed toward the Aug. 3 Haskell Invitational at New Jersey's Monmouth Park as a prep race for the Aug. 23 Travers Stakes. He is not contemplating a jockey change.

"I don't like that move," Dutrow said of the Haskell. He said he'd prefer to train up to the Travers.

I like Cauthen's comment..

[CSC]

I don't believe them, if I were a betting man. Big Brown will be at Saratoga in the Travers with Edgar Prado aboard. Call it an educated guess.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Could this group get any more dysfunctional?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/horse...sormeaux_N.htm

Iavarone said Big Brown will probably be pointed toward the Aug. 3 Haskell Invitational at New Jersey's Monmouth Park as a prep race for the Aug. 23 Travers Stakes. He is not contemplating a jockey change.

"I don't like that move," Dutrow said of the Haskell. He said he'd prefer to train up to the Travers.

I find Bailey, Stevens and Cauthen's comments far more interesting than what the owner thinks, where he wants to race next, etc. Sure, I want to hear what Dutrow thinks and where he wants to race him. That will be bantered around 100 times between now and then. Maybe between now and next week.

Eric

[Scav]

The orange is squeezed dry, I highly doubt that horse runs again