Especially To The Critics Of Big Brown

[ateamstupid]

1. Big Brown doesn't need to be vindicated. He's a very good colt who had a lousy day. Anybody writing off Big Brown because of yesterday is never going to give the horse his due anyway.

2. Depends on whether or not any three-year-olds can sweep some summer/fall races. A Travers/BCC double would definitely get it done, and probably a Travers/BCC placing with a JCGC win in between would as well.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

1. Big Brown doesn't need to be vindicated. He's a very good colt who had a lousy day. Anybody writing off Big Brown because of yesterday is never going to give the horse his due anyway.

2. Depends on whether or not any three-year-olds can sweep some summer/fall races. A Travers/BCC double would definitely get it done, and probably a Travers/BCC placing with a JCGC win in between would as well.

Totally like your take on #1

What is JCGC and do you or anybody see a 3 yr old out there that could get on a streak like that?

[hockey2315]

There are several 3 year olds out there right now that are capable of winning big races - but most of their future's are up in the air right now.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Totally like your take on #1

What is JCGC and do you or anybody see a 3 yr old out there that could get on a streak like that?

Jockey Club Gold Cup. It's a Grade I, $1,000,000 race that has lost a lot of its luster (it used to be the equivalent to the Breeders' Cup Classic), but still counts for something. Curlin beat Lawyer Ron in the '07 JCGC.

Right now, there's no three-year-old that looks good enough to run the table this fall, but before the Florida Derby, I wouldn't have banked on a horse blowing the doors off the competition in the first two legs of the Triple Crown, either.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Jockey Club Gold Cup. It's a Grade I, $1,000,000 race that has lost a lot of its luster (it used to be the equivalent to the Breeders' Cup Classic), but still counts for something. Curlin beat Lawyer Ron in the '07 JCGC.

Right now, there's no three-year-old that looks good enough to run the table this fall, but before the Florida Derby, I wouldn't have banked on a horse blowing the doors off the competition in the first two legs of the Triple Crown, either.

Got it...thanks. BTW, my dad grew up in Brooklyn, E 12th and Ave T then played basketball at Abraham Lincoln then scholarship to Duquesne University. No NBA though (I saw you are in Brooklyn)

[Danzig]

i don't think i've seen anyone say that big brown was exposed, or the 'real' big brown showed up yesterday. i'd say it's a given that at this point big brown is the cream of the crop. but then, that's not saying a whole hell of a lot this year.
as for the classic, i'll be shocked if he is still around for it-curlin as well. i don't see big brown staying in training, and i don't see curlin going on AWT. now, if big brown and curlin both go (and we see pigs flying at the same time) i would actually think big brown could give curlin a run for his money. it'd be late in the year, big brown would be presumably bigger, stronger, more mature-but the plus for him is his ability on turf, which often translates to ability on AWT. that combined with assmans woeful poly abilities, and curlin having had all his starts on dirt--i'd say it's a crap shoot wether curlin could run on the stuff at the same level as on dirt.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Got it...thanks. BTW, my dad grew up in Brooklyn, E 12th and Ave T then played basketball at Abraham Lincoln then scholarship to Duquesne University. No NBA though (I saw you are in Brooklyn)

Yeah, I live just outside of Park Slope, although I work on Nostrand Avenue between Avenue S and Avenue T, not too far from where your dad grew up. I cover high school basketball in the city, so I'm really familiar with Lincoln as well.

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

1. Big Brown doesn't need to be vindicated. He's a very good colt who had a lousy day. Anybody writing off Big Brown because of yesterday is never going to give the horse his due anyway.

I agree. He's not the first horse to bounce.... and sure won't be the last. He's proven in a number of big races and hope he comes back to form in the next one.

[DogsUp]

Here is my two cents.

1) There has only been a hand full of horses that went undefeated in their career. These great atheletes are not machines and they can run a bad race from time to time. One loss does not mean that a horse doesnt deserve to be considered extremely good. What irritated me yesterday was people saying that BB had to how a showing like that of Secretariate. I think that it crap. Since when isnt winning enough? I think BB will be champion three year old.

2) Two horses come to mind that cna sweep the Jim Dandy, Travers, and BCC and those two are Dennis of Cork and Harlem Rocker. This is assuming that Curlin does race in the BCC.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by DogsUp

Here is my two cents.

1) There has only been a hand full of horses that went undefeated in their career. These great atheletes are not machines and they can run a bad race from time to time. One loss does not mean that a horse doesnt deserve to be considered extremely good. What irritated me yesterday was people saying that BB had to how a showing like that of Secretariate. I think that it crap. Since when isnt winning enough? I think BB will be champion three year old.

2) Two horses come to mind that cna sweep the Jim Dandy, Travers, and BCC and those two are Dennis of Cork and Harlem Rocker. This is assuming that Curlin does race in the BCC.

Denis of Cork? Really?

[DogsUp]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Denis of Cork? Really?

Why not? He isn't anything special but neither is anyone else at this point (assuming BB doesn't race again). He finished 3rd in the Derby and 2nd in the Belmont. Why not him? Heck, anyone can clunk up and become a star from this bunch of 3 year olds. He has a good of shot as any.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by DogsUp

Why not? He isn't anything special but neither is anyone else at this point (assuming BB doesn't race again). He finished 3rd in the Derby and 2nd in the Belmont. Why not him? Heck, anyone can clunk up and become a star from this bunch of 3 year olds. He has a good of shot as any.

Clunk up is the right phrase to use. He's had three decent races in his career, in one he got a perfect setup, and in the other two he never was a threat to the winner. I know this is a terrible crop, but to say that Denis of Cork is a possibility to sweep the Travers and BCC is insane, IMO. There's probably a maiden winner three-year-old that has a better shot of winning one of those two races.

[DogsUp]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Clunk up is the right phrase to use. He's had three decent races in his career, in one he got a perfect setup, and in the other two he never was a threat to the winner. I know this is a terrible crop, but to say that Denis of Cork is a possibility to sweep the Travers and BCC is insane, IMO. There's probably a maiden winner three-year-old that has a better shot of winning one of those two races.

I hear what you are saying, but I would have to believe if the Travers was next month and DofC was in it with the same cast of characters, he would be the fav. Of course that doesn't mean he wins. One horse I have forgotten about is Colonel John. He has a shot at the BCC since it is at Santa Anita and he loves that surface.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

There's probably a maiden winner three-year-old that has a better shot of winning one of those two races.

At this point of the year, Tiznow had just won his first stakes race, a G3 at Hollywood Park. FuPeg had beaten some questionable sorts in the Derby and was upset by Red Bullet in the Preakness; he then sat out the Belmont, won by the poster boy for 'anybody who can stay sound can win a classic' Commendable.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Clunk up is the right phrase to use. He's had three decent races in his career, in one he got a perfect setup, and in the other two he never was a threat to the winner. I know this is a terrible crop, but to say that Denis of Cork is a possibility to sweep the Travers and BCC is insane, IMO. There's probably a maiden winner three-year-old that has a better shot of winning one of those two races.

There is...his name is Unbridled's Heart.

[MisterB]

Why blame BB. Kent lost the race

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

what happened to biker boy?

[lemoncrush]

It seemed that the conditioning and lack of "bottom' put into this horse by not running in the fall, and not even going to the track in January, finally caught up to him. I still don't think he's anything close to a bum, or a fraud.
He ran well fresh in his allowance win and Fla. derby win, and again on 5 weeks rest in the KY derby.

The 3 triple crown races in 5 weeks would have taken it's toll on any 3-yo this year, with or without the sweltering heat at Belmont last Saturday.
BB was the only horse that did run in all 3 triple crown races, so I give the horse credit for trying. He was just out of gas.

[slotdirt]

Lots of other horses in that race had run just as often as Big Brown had, so I don't think the fact that he was the only competitor to run in all three Triple Crown races should be an excuse. Macho Again rain in the Derby Trial on April 26th, the Preakness, and the Belmont. Da' Tara ran the same schedule as Macho Again, but instead ran in the Barbaro on the Preakness undercard. Icabad Crane was on his third race in seven weeks as well.