Dedumbeaux's Ride

[the_fat_man]

I must be missing the point, with a horse that was eased.

You know what we should be discussing when it comes to trips/rides? How about:

1) Cornelio blocking Kent the length of the stretch on Friday, with the other half of the Mott entry. I've been betting over 30 years and I've seen a lot of stupid **** but a jock going out of his way to shut off a winning move by his entry mate is about as DUMBASS as it gets. YET, no comments on this forum.

2) How about Edgar going 4 wide on the 1st turn with Pays to Dream? I mean, the horse is coming off the pace anyway so why not sit on the rail, like the winner, or the 2 path, like the runner up? Run an extra 30-45 feet or so, lose by 1/2 length and get vanned off. Nice at 11:1 ............

This kind of stuff is interesting when it comes to trips. A horse that doesn't fire, for whatever reason, is not.

Let's try to take it up a notch.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I must be missing the point, with a horse that was eased.

You know what we should be discussing when it comes to trips/rides? How about:

1) Cornelio blocking Kent the length of the stretch on Friday, with the other half of the Mott entry. I've been betting over 30 years and I've seen a lot of stupid **** but a jock going out of his way to shut off a winning move by his entry mate is about as DUMBASS as it gets. YET, no comments on this forum.

2) How about Edgar going 4 wide on the 1st turn with Pays to Dream? I mean, the horse is coming off the pace anyway so why not sit on the rail, like the winner, or the 2 path, like the runner up? Run an extra 30-45 feet or so, lose by 1/2 length and get vanned off. Nice at 11:1 ............

This kind of stuff is interesting when it comes to trips. A horse that doesn't fire, for whatever reason, is not.

Let's try to take it up a notch.

Agreed on all counts. Well said.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I think analyzing the ride is much ado about nothing.

You knew going into the race the other jocks would have a bullseye on BB's back.

You knew going in that Da Tara was going to make the lead - and KJD isn't stupid enough to hook a 40/1 longshot with a horse that has rated kindly and unleashed huge turn moves in both of the first two legs of the triple crown.

You knew going in that the ruthless Eibar Coa was riding Tale Of Ekati - who has tactical speed, was drawn outside of BB, and was obviously going to race ride BB.

In hindsight - the best strategy would have been a seemingly incredibly insane strategy going into the race. It would be for Kent to pull a page from the Ramon Dominguez playbook and stay glued to the rail. The rail was good enough - see Forefathers performance - and as it turned out ... Da Tara was clearly more horse than Tale of Ekati, which means Big Brown would have got out of the box if he had more horse than ToE.

However, Big Brown had no horse so all this doesn't matter.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think analyzing the ride is much ado about nothing.

You knew going into the race the other jocks would have a bullseye on BB's back.

You knew going in that Da Tara was going to make the lead - and KJD isn't stupid enough to hook a 40/1 longshot with a horse that has rated kindly and unleashed huge turn moves in both of the first two legs of the triple crown.

You knew going in that the ruthless Eibar Coa was riding Tale Of Ekati - who has tactical speed, was drawn outside of BB, and was obviously going to race ride BB.

In hindsight - the best strategy would have been a seemingly incredibly insane strategy going into the race. It would be for Kent to pull a page from the Ramon Dominguez playbook and stay glued to the rail. The rail was good enough - see Forefathers performance - and as it turned out ... Da Tara was clearly more horse than Tale of Ekati, which means Big Brown would have got out of the box if he had more horse than ToE.

However, Big Brown had no horse so all this doesn't matter.

Forefathers performance was not because of a decent rail, he got an unbelievable trip and was the best horse number wise

[slotdirt]

Just FWIW, note Billy Turner's comments on page two of this article:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...9s.html?page=1

But at least one trainer believes the public was short-changed in this Belmont.

Billy Turner is the last living trainer of a Triple Crown winner, Seattle Slew in 1977. Early last week, Turner called Big Brown "a really good horse" who had "the best chance of winning the Triple Crown" since Spectacular Bid came up short in the '79 Belmont. "When the horse has the ability Big Brown does, his talent will make sure he gets the mile and a half."

It turns out that Big Brown covered less than a mile at full speed and Turner isn't satisfied with the various non-explanations. He's throwing his darts at the jockey.

"If the horse bobbled, fine, pull him up," Turner said. "But there was no bobble, no misstep. It was a disaster, the ride was a disaster from the start."

It occurred to one writer that Turner might have been describing the night Roberto Duran called out "no mas" and abandoned his fight against Ray Leonard, who was beating him badly. "A good analogy," the trainer said. "That's exactly what happened." The jockey "was going to be embarrassed, so he decided to pull the horse up. The ride was a disaster, a disaster from the start. In the '60s, '70s, '80s, the stewards would have told (Desormeaux) to leave New York and not come back."

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Just FWIW, note Billy Turner's comments on page two of this article:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...9s.html?page=1

But at least one trainer believes the public was short-changed in this Belmont.

Billy Turner is the last living trainer of a Triple Crown winner, Seattle Slew in 1977. Early last week, Turner called Big Brown "a really good horse" who had "the best chance of winning the Triple Crown" since Spectacular Bid came up short in the '79 Belmont. "When the horse has the ability Big Brown does, his talent will make sure he gets the mile and a half."

It turns out that Big Brown covered less than a mile at full speed and Turner isn't satisfied with the various non-explanations. He's throwing his darts at the jockey.

"If the horse bobbled, fine, pull him up," Turner said. "But there was no bobble, no misstep. It was a disaster, the ride was a disaster from the start."

It occurred to one writer that Turner might have been describing the night Roberto Duran called out "no mas" and abandoned his fight against Ray Leonard, who was beating him badly. "A good analogy," the trainer said. "That's exactly what happened." The jockey "was going to be embarrassed, so he decided to pull the horse up. The ride was a disaster, a disaster from the start. In the '60s, '70s, '80s, the stewards would have told (Desormeaux) to leave New York and not come back."

Gee, that sounds familiar. Which one of our resident experts will be the first to step up and say Turner is not knowledgeable about the game?

[blackthroatedwind]

Dutrow opened the door for other trainers to speak freely. It works both ways.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

1) Cornelio blocking Kent the length of the stretch on Friday, with the other half of the Mott entry. I've been betting over 30 years and I've seen a lot of stupid **** but a jock going out of his way to shut off a winning move by his entry mate is about as DUMBASS as it gets. YET, no comments on this forum.

Kent likes to get buried inside on the turf....it's his move and hardly Cornelio's fault. Out of curiousity.....did those two horses have the same owner? Didn't Cornelio finish second?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Kent likes to get buried inside on the turf....it's his move and hardly Cornelio's fault. Out of curiousity.....did those two horses have the same owner? Didn't Cornelio finish second?

Kent likes to get buried inside? Who doesn't like to get buried inside?

Yeah, Cornelio finished 2nd but MOTT LOST a race he could've won.

Think he's happy? Assuming he's even aware of what happened?