Dedumbeaux's Ride

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

why not be extra cautious with your 50 million dollar horse?

what exactly is risky about galloping a horse that is fine? i said that i can see wrapping him up, but pulling him up is another thing.

so should all $50 million horses be allowed to just pull up whenever they want, while all the other grunts have to battle it out?

he did it not because of a concern for the horse but because of the shame it would have caused to cross the wire 30 lengths behind with a 1-5 shot supposed super horse.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

what exactly is risky about galloping a horse that is fine? i said that i can see wrapping him up, but pulling him up is another thing.

so should all $50 million horses be allowed to just pull up whenever they want, while all the other grunts have to battle it out?

he did it not because of a concern for the horse but because of the shame it would have caused to cross the wire 30 lengths behind with a 1-5 shot supposed super horse.

How do you know what was going on in kent Desormeaux's brain ? Thats not what he said in the interview.

Something wasnt right and he didnt know what it was. Better to pull him up then to gallop him out if he wasnt sure.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

How do you know what was going on in kent Desormeaux's brain ? Thats not what he said in the interview.

Something wasnt right and he didnt know what it was. Better to pull him up then to gallop him out if he wasnt sure.

i thought he said the horse wanted to keep going? i think it was kent who got cold feet and felt off, not the horse. i bet kd wanted to puke.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

How do you know what was going on in kent Desormeaux's brain ? Thats not what he said in the interview.

Something wasnt right and he didnt know what it was. Better to pull him up then to gallop him out if he wasnt sure.

i guess I'm naive enough to hope that KD's decision was based on the horses' health. If he did it merely to not suffer the indignity of finishing last,then he has more probems than I can deal with. He's been in and out his whole career, so what you see is what you get!

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

i guess I'm naive enough to hope that KD's decision was based on the horses' health. If he did it merely to not suffer the indignity of finishing last,then he has more probems than I can deal with. He's been in and out his whole career, so what you see is what you get!

show me another instance where he or any other rider pulls up their horse in the stretch and jumps off at the wire, not because there was any indication of anything wrong, merely because there was no response, then i'll believe it was for the horses best interest. if this is the way to go then it should happen about once per race.

[Cannon Shell]

After hearing all the crap spewed the last 5 weeks especially concerning horses breaking down, PETA, etc. is it a wonder that Kent D pulled the horse up? I know that i would not have taken any chances knowing that everyone was watching him including people that would try to harm him if something physical were to happen to the horse. Big deal if he pulled him up or not. He is famous for not riding to the wire but in this case I tend to think he deserves a pass.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

show me another instance where he or any other rider pulls up their horse in the stretch and jumps off at the wire, not because there was any indication of anything wrong, merely because there was no response, then i'll believe it was for the horses best interest. if this is the way to go then it should happen about once per race.

The connections knew there was something wrong with the horse going into the race. Everyone knew. The horse had a bad quarter crack. With a bad quarter crack like that, you don't know for sure if it will bother the horse until the horse is all-out in a race. The horse galloped well all week and he worked fine too. But that's not the same as running in a race.

Even if Desormeuax couldn't feel that the horse was sore in the race, he knew that there was obviously something wrong because the horse wasn't firing. He would have had to have been out of his mind to keep riding the horse in that situation. The horse is too valuable. Desormeaux absolutely did the right thing.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The connections knew there was something wrong with the horse going into the race. Everyone knew. The horse had a bad quarter crack. With a bad quarter crack like that, you don't know for sure if it will bother the horse until the horse is all-out in a race. The horse galloped well all week and he worked fine too. But that's not the same as running in a race.

Even if Desormeuax couldn't feel that the horse was sore in the race, he knew that there was obviously something wrong because the horse wasn't firing. He would have had to have been out of his mind to keep riding the horse in that situation. The horse is too valuable. Desormeaux absolutely did the right thing.

so only valuable horses should be pulled up? all i'm saying is if its good for the horse then why not do it all the time?

I just watched the 10th at Monmouth and 3 horses finished slowly between 20 to 35 lengths behind the winner. i'm sure those horses might have some issues as well.

I have listened to all this quarter crack stuff and I hear many say that what he had is common. i don't know really, it didn't look good to me the photo that was shown in DRF. you listen to the trainer say it was not an issue, you saw he had a decent work. its all guesswork really though.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

so only valuable horses should be pulled up? all i'm saying is if its good for the horse then why not do it all the time?

I just watched the 10th at Monmouth and 3 horses finished slowly between 20 to 35 lengths behind the winner. i'm sure those horses might have some issues as well.

I have listened to all this quarter crack stuff and I hear many say that what he had is common. i don't know really, it didn't look good to me the photo that was shown in DRF. you listen to the trainer say it was not an issue, you saw he had a decent work. its all guesswork really though.

The foot issue was all over the media.
Monmouth coverage of an insignificant race
will not hit all tabloids.

I see what you are saying. The media makes
a huge difference. Oh yes I forgot. This horse
is part of an "investment fund"... protect those assets.
Far more than simple ownership dont ya know.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

so only valuable horses should be pulled up? all i'm saying is if its good for the horse then why not do it all the time?

I just watched the 10th at Monmouth and 3 horses finished slowly between 20 to 35 lengths behind the winner. i'm sure those horses might have some issues as well.

I have listened to all this quarter crack stuff and I hear many say that what he had is common. i don't know really, it didn't look good to me the photo that was shown in DRF. you listen to the trainer say it was not an issue, you saw he had a decent work. its all guesswork really though.

There are some quarter cracks that are a big deal and others that aren't. It depends on the severity and the location. From all the experts that I talked to who saw the picture of this quarter crack, they said that this was a really bad quarter crack. They said that it was in a bad spot and it was very likely to bother the horse in the race. It's not an exact science and you never know for sure, but there was a very good chance that the quarter crack would bother the horse.

If the connections were going to run the horse, they had to downplay the injury. If they admitted that the quarter crack was bad and that it might bother him, then everyone would have said, "Why are you running the horse if he has a bad quarter crack?!"

So they really had to downplay it. Don't get me wrong, I think that Dutrow honestly believed that it wouldn't be a problem. I think that he thought that the horse was so much the best, that even if the quarter crack did bother the horse and he regressed by 5 lengths, that the horse would still win.

The problem is that you just don't know how much it will bother the horse. Another horse with a quarter crack that looks identical, may have only regressed by a few lengths. You just don't know for sure. It's not an exact science with these types of things.

I can tell you one thing though. Practically every trainer I talked to a few days before the race said that there was no way that they would run that horse if it was their horse.

[stareagle]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

what exactly is risky about galloping a horse that is fine? i said that i can see wrapping him up, but pulling him up is another thing.

Desormeaux didn't think the horse was fine, so he played it carefully. That was the absolute correct thing to do, unless you expect him to give him a full vet exam during the race.

Besides, it isn't like KD eased him while he was running hard for the win. Watch the replay - he doesn't do it until horses are already streaming by him.

[ELA]

The jock had nothing to do with the outcome -- period. Too many people bring far too much baggage to the table and one of the byproducts is to blame the jock. Far too convenient and common. It's kind of like "having to find an excuse" so to speak. The other side of the coin is people who have no idea what they are talking about. Being a good handicapper doesn't mean one knows everything about horses, jocks, etc. and all the "other" aspects of the game. People tend to collapse those aspects of the game as well.

As far as pulling him up -- as I've often said, it's really easy to make decisions from the grandstand or from behind a keyboard. I think people are reading far too much into this. It's not that complicated and there isn't a conspiracy behind it. He did it to protect the horse. He did it because he wanted to save face. He did because . . . because because because. If it makes you feel better, go for it.

As opposed to pulling him up, if he would have ridden the horse out -- there would be plenty of people who would be critisizing that move as well. Funny thing -- I am sure a few of them would be the same people who are critisizing the fact that he pulled him up.

Eric