Zenyatta- 103 Beyer

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Ginger Punch is just a step above a claimer, she is not that fast and really a very lucky winner of the distaff.

Three Grade 1's, two Grade 2's and "Champion" Status... that's like saying Lava Man is your average claimer...

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by smuthg

Three Grade 1's, two Grade 2's and "Champion" Status... that's like saying Lava Man is your average claimer...

That would be a lot closer to the truth. Ginger Punch has non-racing value that Lava Man doesn't.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by smuthg

Three Grade 1's, two Grade 2's and "Champion" Status... that's like saying Lava Man is your average claimer...

I think Lava Man caught a period of severe down time in socal, claimer probably not but to me he is not a legit grade 1 horse, at least how I look at him compared to oh, say Best Pal in his prime.

Ginger Punch has never ran very fast, in fact she is slower then a horse like Eight Belles, and much slower then Zenyatta who still has not run very fast. I said she is above claimer, but on figures not by much.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I think Lava Man caught a period of severe down time in socal, claimer probably not but to me he is not a legit grade 1 horse, at least how I look at him compared to oh, say Best Pal in his prime.

Ginger Punch has never ran very fast, in fact she is slower then a horse like Eight Belles, and much slower then Zenyatta who still has not run very fast. I said she is above claimer, but on figures not by much.

Slower based off what?

I know TG wise, she was faster then Eight Belles, although that is a bad comparsion becuase of 3 year old vs 4 year old

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

Slower based off what?

I know TG wise, she was faster then Eight Belles, although that is a bad comparsion becuase of 3 year old vs 4 year old

And Beyers, and brisnet.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Scav

Slower based off what?

I know TG wise, she was faster then Eight Belles, although that is a bad comparsion becuase of 3 year old vs 4 year old

yea, older horse Ginger Punch has a 104 beyer and Eight Belles has a 102 so she is slower.

Look Ginger Punch is ok, but a 104 beyer is like 7 points behind azeri's top figures, and many of the bettor filles the past decade would drown her, such as Azeri and Riboletta.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

yea, older horse Ginger Punch has a 104 beyer and Eight Belles has a 102 so she is slower.

Look Ginger Punch is ok, but a 104 beyer is like 7 points behind azeri's top figures, and many of the bettor filles the past decade would drown her, such as Azeri and Riboletta.

You're right. That kills the "Ginger Punch = Azeri" argument so many of us were trying to make.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're right. That kills the "Ginger Punch = Azeri" argument so many of us were trying to make.

just pointing out her 3 grade 1's, champion this and that.....its a paper tiger, she would get drown by the likes of Imperial Gesture who was a pretty average 3yo filly.