I would like to be the first to suggest....

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i have always been a big tiago fan, BUT....is it realistic that he will do anything in the classic ? when i say a big tiago fan, i mean big, i bet him in the santa anita derby as a maiden, i bet him in the derby and in the belmont, always liked him, but he is a dirt horse, not a synthetic horse

A big fan? He wasn't a maiden in the Santa Anita Derby.

Also, his synthetic record is not much different than his conventional dirt record (6-2-2-1 versus 8-3-0-2). One could argue that his losses on synthetics were due to poor race dynamics when you consider the ridiculous manner in which the San Fernando and Strub were run. Even today's race didn't set up well with a lack of pace. His loss in the Big Cap, much like the Derby, Belmont, and BC Classic seemed to be the product of a horse who's stretch punch is ineffective at classic distances (hence the Met Mile suggestion by several board members).

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

A big fan? He wasn't a maiden in the Santa Anita Derby.

Also, his synthetic record is not much different than his conventional dirt record (6-2-2-1 versus 8-3-0-2). One could argue that his losses on synthetics were due to poor race dynamics when you consider the ridiculous manner in which the San Fernando and Strub were run. Even today's race didn't set up well with a lack of pace. His loss in the Big Cap, much like the Derby, Belmont, and BC Classic seemed to be the product of a horse who's stretch punch is ineffective at classic distances (hence the Met Mile suggestion by several board members).

i think he was... and if not he was put up on dq, im going to check now . he was running against that ny bred time squared, i think

[justindew]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

A big fan? He wasn't a maiden in the Santa Anita Derby.

But wasn't his win by DQ? I think that's what he meant.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by justindew

But wasn't his win by DQ? I think that's what he meant.

It was meant to be a harmless dig at a self-professed "big, big" Tiago fan. The important part of the post was the stuff underneath.

[horseofcourse]

I agree with justindew...she's more than good enough to run against the boys. She was much better than the other Shireffs horse today.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I agree with justindew...she's more than good enough to run against the boys. She was much better than the other Shireffs horse today.

i agree with that, especially with this group of boys....if the classic was run today or in a week or a month.... and curlin is not there, and big brown is not there... which is very very possible, ZENYATTA IS THE FAVORITE !!!!!

[philcski]

If Big Brown and Curlin aren't in the Classic, Heatseeker is the favorite... end of story.


Zenyatta is a SUPER nice filly, obviously the best out there right now. Almost Azeri-esque. Overcame a LOT today and still won for fun. But I'm not sure she's ready for the Classic... yet.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by philcski

If Big Brown and Curlin aren't in the Classic, Heatseeker is the favorite... end of story.


Zenyatta is a SUPER nice filly, obviously the best out there right now. Almost Azeri-esque. Overcame a LOT today and still won for fun. But I'm not sure she's ready for the Classic... yet.

Azeri may have won the 2002 Classic.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by philcski

If Big Brown and Curlin aren't in the Classic, Heatseeker is the favorite... end of story.


Zenyatta is a SUPER nice filly, obviously the best out there right now. Almost Azeri-esque. Overcame a LOT today and still won for fun. But I'm not sure she's ready for the Classic... yet.

If BB and Curlin aren't there and Heatseeker is the favorite, even if he beats her, running second in the race wouldn't be bad at all. A second or third in the Classic would be better on her resume, IMO, than a win in the Distaff.

[Bogey]

Originally Posted by philcski

If Big Brown and Curlin aren't in the Classic, Heatseeker is the favorite... end of story.


Zenyatta is a SUPER nice filly, obviously the best out there right now. Almost Azeri-esque. Overcame a LOT today and still won for fun. But I'm not sure she's ready for the Classic... yet.

Heatseeker retired this week. A big blow to the handicap division.