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[DogsUp]

Why do they castrate them at all? Can't they give them an operation that stops the flow of sperm like they do in humans (vasectomy)? This would allow sperm production and the production of testosterone.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by DogsUp

Why do they castrate them at all? Can't they give them an operation that stops the flow of sperm like they do in humans (vasectomy)? This would allow sperm production and the production of testosterone.

The cessation of the flow of sperm does nothing to make a male horse more manageable or less "interested" in females, as a man with a vasectomy will tell you.
Not every gelding is given testosterone and certainly it is not done in non racing settings.
Taking away the interest in sex makes a horse more manageable and it's anthropomorphic to assume that a horse misses what he never had a chance to use. It's like assuming that a mare who is unable to have a foal for some biological reason longs for motherhood whenever she sees a mare and her foal roming in a pasture. She has no inborn concept of "motherhood."

[largo1]

There's a wise old horseman's saying,,,"He's a nice stallion. He'd make an excellent gelding". There's a lot of truth in that.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by largo1

There's a wise old horseman's saying,,,"He's a nice stallion. He'd make an excellent gelding". There's a lot of truth in that.

stop male haten yo/

[largo1]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

stop male haten yo/

Yo, I said "a wise old horseman's saying", not a *GREAT* idea me and the girls came up with one night while out having adult beverages at The Red Dog Saloon!!!!

[blackthroatedwind]

The title of this thread reminds me of " Carnal Knowledge " and Jack Nicholson's slide show " Ball busters on parade. "

[Linny]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The title of this thread reminds me of " Carnal Knowledge " and Jack Nicholson's slide show " Ball busters on parade. "

I logged on to this thread because I thought it was about ME!

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by largo1

There's a wise old horseman's saying,,,"He's a nice stallion. He'd make an excellent gelding". There's a lot of truth in that.

So true.. We have 2 Arabian stallions where I work, that are basically sweethearts except for when the testosterone kicks in and they want to be "nippy" or scream at the other horses.. They never breed and most likely never will. I hope someday their owners either sell them to someone that will geld them so that they can have a better life. As they are, they can't be turned out like "normal" horses and just live in a box 24/7.

[hockey2315]

Check out Giant Chieftain in the 4th for Hough - $950,000 Son of Giant's Causeway out of a G1 producing mare - gelded.

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Check out Giant Chieftain in the 4th for Hough - $950,000 Son of Giant's Causeway out of a G1 producing mare - gelded.

Based on his race record, what stud fee would you be willing to pay to breed to Giant Chieftain?
While I would be pretty pissed off that I paid 950k, and he's stuck in a 2 other than and gelded as a 4 year old, the Robsham's have been with Stan Hough for a long time and know his routine. I also don't think that Hough called one day and said "Oh by the way Mrs. R, I gelded that Giant's Causeway colt you spent almost a million dollars for." I'm sure she (or at least her racing manager) had some say in the deed.

[the_fat_man]

The interesting Hough runner, to me, for the same owner, I believe, is Trippi's Storm. Didn't cost much but is certainly more valuable as a stallion given his improvement when switched to turf. Bet they wish he hadn't been gelded. Then again, maybe he doesn't get good unless he's gelded. I don't have the data but I wonder if he was gelded BEFORE they tried him on the turf. Gelding TS is bad enough but HOugh also made some errors in training with him and cost the owner at least a grade one and some nice bucks. Then again, given all the high priced horses that seem to not work out for them, they probably can afford it.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by pgiaco

Based on his race record, what stud fee would you be willing to pay to breed to Giant Chieftain?
While I would be pretty pissed off that I paid 950k, and he's stuck in a 2 other than and gelded as a 4 year old, the Robsham's have been with Stan Hough for a long time and know his routine. I also don't think that Hough called one day and said "Oh by the way Mrs. R, I gelded that Giant's Causeway colt you spent almost a million dollars for." I'm sure she (or at least her racing manager) had some say in the deed.

It's not like the horse is going to all of a sudden be a monster when he's gelded. Might as well save the genetics and breed him to a few mares and see what happens. Not every stud has to be marketable and worth $100K a pop.