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Old 05-28-2008, 06:21 PM
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The sad thing is he probably will run 1-2 in this race. . .
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Old 05-28-2008, 06:23 PM
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It's quite a field.
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Old 05-28-2008, 06:37 PM
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Borderline depressing.
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Old 05-28-2008, 06:53 PM
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I like Cherokee Artist, hopefully at a price. Think he might turn out to be a nice three-year-old.
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Borderline depressing.
borderline?
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Old 05-28-2008, 07:17 PM
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It's quite a field.
Visionaire woulda won this race by 15 lengths.
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Old 05-28-2008, 07:42 PM
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I wouldn't go that far. . .
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:01 PM
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Visionaire woulda won this race by 15 lengths.
Visionaire would've been the worst of three Derby horses in the field.
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:36 PM
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Visionaire would've been the worst of three Derby horses in the field.

Yeah Smooth air is better than him.

Lay off the crack pipe.
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:38 PM
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Visionaire isn't a good horse. . .
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:39 PM
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Visionaire isn't a good horse. . .

He's ok.


Better than Smooth Air though. Probably the same as Z fortune...runs a good race once in a while.
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:59 PM
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Yeah Smooth air is better than him.

Lay off the crack pipe.
Right. Visionaire has what? One win in a monsoon over Texas Wildshatter, who was beaten a half-mile in his next start? Awesome. Can't argue with that. Oh wait, there was also his monstrous, sound-barrier shattering FIFTH in the Blue Grass. I stand corrected.
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Old 05-28-2008, 09:10 PM
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Z Fortune may very well win this race but I'd be careful who I'd argue he's better than. I think we all saw pretty clearly that the Ark Derby was an abysmal horse race that was given a very high Beyer yet was chock full of extremely average horses. If Gayego and Z Fortune's terrible performances weren't enough to convince you, look up the Lone Star Derby also rans that were Ark Derby participants.

In Z Fortune's other "good" race he held off the monster Blackberry Road.

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Old 05-28-2008, 11:53 PM
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Right. Visionaire has what? One win in a monsoon over Texas Wildshatter, who was beaten a half-mile in his next start? Awesome. Can't argue with that. Oh wait, there was also his monstrous, sound-barrier shattering FIFTH in the Blue Grass. I stand corrected.
Yes...and Z fortune and Smooth Air have monsterous wins also. Please.....Who have they beaten?

All 3 are ok 3 yr olds....I cant see a HUGE difference between any of em.

Z fortune has an allowance race where he beat nada in Dec. Then he beats the mighty Blackberry Road in The Lecomte....Blackberry Road hasnt done a thing all year. The Darp is a nice horse though.........

Smooth Air had a nice race in The Hutcheson....then runs 3rd to 2 average horses at Tampa...suck up 2nd in FL Derby ahead a bunch of misfits (show me one decent horse who ran in there besides BB)....


As far as the Derby....Z fortune..Smooth Air...and Visionaire all finished basically within 2 lengths of eachother in order....so to say that one of them is garbage and the other 2 aren't is rather ridiculous
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:43 PM
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While I don't share Stone's fondness for Visionaire, I think he's probably better than Smooth Air.

Too much Bennie Stutts love on this board.
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:48 PM
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I'm not a Stutts lover at all - it's more that I think Visionaire is awful.
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Old 05-28-2008, 11:37 PM
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I'm not a Stutts lover at all - it's more that I think Visionaire is awful.

Sorry....but winning a few races this year (Gotham being one of em) doesnt make a horse awful. Maybe he isnt a world beater...but hell...he won a 200k race.

Calling him awful is ridiculous.
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:56 PM
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His Fla. Derby and Swale weren't that bad - he's ok for this year - nowhere near the top but he's useful enough. . .
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Old 05-28-2008, 09:12 PM
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What about Medjool? I am going to play him in tri's with the above choices with any kind of odds.
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:06 PM
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Visionaire woulda won this race by 15 lengths.
Yes, running against Z Fortune twice, and finishing behind Z Fortune twice does indeed make you at least 15 lengths superior.
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