Love the horse, but that trainer's irritating

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ELA

Just more of the same in my opinion. Personally, I think this is nothing more than a shield and sword attitude -- and far too many in the media are using this type of reporting just because they can. It's the melodramatic, theatrical, etc. -- BS! The "claims" and "criticisms" and "finger pointing" all has the gasp element.

So he doesn't like that Dutrow calls everyone "Babe" -- OK, don't speak to Dutrow and he won't call you "Babe", LOL. You don't like his confidence or arrogance -- great, don't report on him, move on, next. There's a cat stuck in a tree on Main Street and I am sure a Pulitzer Prize will come out of that. You don't like the way he sits on a chair at his own barn? OK, got it. Go to someone else's barn and decide if you like the way they sit.

This is not written for people "in the game" so to speak. Of course, an aticle can't be written unless it addresses WINSTROL. What was there to write or report about before this LEGAL drug became the only topic we would ever want to read about? We all know what we get with Rick Dutrow. Let's go over this one more time -- the Winstrol issue is not an issue, yet the media will make it one time and time again. Now let's get this straight -- THIS IS NOT A RICK DUTROW ISSUE . . . It is an INDUSTRY ISSUE and the media is hurting the industry by reporting like this.

This is not a defense of Rick Dutrow. My horses have lost more races to his horses than I care to remember. But that's the game. This type of reporting does not help the game.

Eric

This was an opinion piece/column. It is the price that you pay when your sport gets publicity. When you have an individual with a past like Dutrow and with his mannerisms can you really complain about what guys like this write? Other sports get it much worse on a regular basis. If we want to be considered as a news worthy sport we have to remember that most news that is reported is negative and as such reporters and columnists will write much more about knocking things than writing positive, 'puff pieces'.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This was an opinion piece/column. It is the price that you pay when your sport gets publicity. When you have an individual with a past like Dutrow and with his mannerisms can you really complain about what guys like this write? Other sports get it much worse on a regular basis. If we want to be considered as a news worthy sport we have to remember that most news that is reported is negative and as such reporters and columnists will write much more about knocking things than writing positive, 'puff pieces'.

Chuck, I completely get that, and I don't have a problem with it. Dutrow's a target, and for many reasons he should be. For others perhaps not. Regardless, if we want to make this look better, what do we do -- compare it to something worse? LOL.

Report on Dutrow's positives, how the rules must be changed, zero tolerence, uniform medication rules, and so on -- all the things we really need in this game.

Winstrol? Dovetail it with Dutrow's attitude, way of sitting, speaking, and the fact that you don't "like him"? I think we see the type of journalism this is.

Eric

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ELA

Chuck, I completely get that, and I don't have a problem with it. Dutrow's a target, and for many reasons he should be. For others perhaps not. Regardless, if we want to make this look better, what do we do -- compare it to something worse? LOL.

Report on Dutrow's positives, how the rules must be changed, zero tolerence, uniform medication rules, and so on -- all the things we really need in this game.

Winstrol? Dovetail it with Dutrow's attitude, way of sitting, speaking, and the fact that you don't "like him"? I think we see the type of journalism this is.
Eric

Yes, typical 2008 style journalism. For some reason this sport and people in it are somehow always worried about it's image. It really doesnt matter as long as people are talking about you. Not to mention that having a villan makes a story much more interesting. It's like the yankees or Dallas Cowboys. They have lots of fans but there are more that simply root against them.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yes, typical 2008 style journalism. For some reason this sport and people in it are somehow always worried about it's image. It really doesnt matter as long as people are talking about you. Not to mention that having a villan makes a story much more interesting. It's like the yankees or Dallas Cowboys. They have lots of fans but there are more that simply root against them.

There is plenty to worry about vis a vis image, we all know that. It's a circular blame game, and at one point in the circle, the media is part of the problem.

Eric

[Danzig]

really, if the media wanted to give dutrow a hard time, they could write up what is known, rather than an opinion about someone calling others 'babe'. i'd stomach the truth a lot better than softball bs like calling him a rogue.
it doesn't bother me if dutrow has good posture, bad hygiene, bad manners or halitosis. what bothers me is the blatant cheating, followed by blatant disregard of the terms of suspension-that shows more his disrespect of the sport than how he leans on a fence.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ELA

Winstrol? Dovetail it with Dutrow's attitude, way of sitting, speaking, and the fact that you don't "like him"? I think we see the type of journalism this is.

I was tempted to do a similar story until I learned that Dutrow is a 10th grade dropout. Us 10th Grade flunk-out's need to stick together .. so this was the result.

http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...0391/-1/SPORTS

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This was an opinion piece/column. It is the price that you pay when your sport gets publicity. When you have an individual with a past like Dutrow and with his mannerisms can you really complain about what guys like this write? Other sports get it much worse on a regular basis. If we want to be considered as a news worthy sport we have to remember that most news that is reported is negative and as such reporters and columnists will write much more about knocking things than writing positive, 'puff pieces'.

Well said. While some may not like how some of the media is reporting on horse racing.. especially the mainstream media which is often uninformed and gets involved only during this time of year.. this is NOT a report. It's one guy's opinion. Fair or not, other major sports get this type of scrutiny year round.

[horseofcourse]

I'm not sure what the issue is with this article. The trainer of the likely first Triple Crown winner in 30 years has some issues. Shouldn't "journalists" actually report on his indiscretions?? Again, calling people "babe" and how you stand posture wise being your main ammunition is a bit ridiculous I agree, but people should be reporting on his real trash in his history within the industy. Overall I think great restraint has been shown overall by the media. Wasn't the mother of his daughter murdered in a crack house or somehing? I mean you could really go wild with this thing, and I think for the most part the media has been hands off his family situation/daughter as they should be.

Articles such as this are quite tame.

[King Glorious]

This was one of the worst pieces of trash articles I've ever read. What does Dutrow's personality have to do with how good Big Brown is? That's just silly. How he's standing and his posture and his facial expressions? Are u kidding me? I thought this part was especially stupid:

We know you didn't yet know about poor Eight Belles' breakdown, but your antics blurred the line between celebration and inappropriate.

Well, if you know he didn't know about EB, how could he have possibly been inappropriate? That doesn't make sense. If you take out the fact that he didn't know, then you are left with a man that has been as far down as you can get in the sport celebrating the fact that he's now reached the top. How would you react to that?

So what if he's overconfident? I wish more trainers were like him. I'd much rather hear him say the things he says about his horse and what he thinks about his chances and be honest about it than have a trainer of a 1/5 shot saying how it's really a tough race and he'll have to be at his best to win and talking up the competition as if he's going out to face 12 Spectacular Bids. That gets boring and tired after awhile. Dutrow is refreshing for me. The more press he gets, the more I like him.

[dalakhani]

According to the Thoroughbred Times, this was Dutrow's answer: "Well, I've seen Curlin get beat by a filly -- so that is not impressive to me. I can't imagine there's a filly breathing air that could beat Big Brown."




The man says what is on his mind.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

A cheater is gunna be confident. That's just the way it's going to be. Fatboy is gunna continue to be that way, and he will also continue to rest his hands on his back, because he can't find those hips.

[Quiet Chris]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

According to the Thoroughbred Times, this was Dutrow's answer: "Well, I've seen Curlin get beat by a filly -- so that is not impressive to me. I can't imagine there's a filly breathing air that could beat Big Brown."




The man says what is on his mind.

She does have a 3/4 brother though that might beat Big Brown. Curlin has proven plenty. Big Brown still has a long way to go. 12f is an entirely different thing than 10f. Especially at Belmont and especially with some feet problems.

I don't think losing to a champion filly would be nearly as bad as losing to a horse in his third career start.

[the_fat_man]

I'm sitting here, pondering

1) ridiculous track takeouts

2) a ridiculous tax on winnings > $600 (or whatever) for each $2 wager
(this, by the way, kind of needs to be adjusted to the PRESENT standard of living and not the one from 1969 or so)

3) another tax on my winnings for the year (should I be so lucky)

4) ridiculously poor quality DATA and VIDEO system wide

5) problems even getting a bet in while tracks, horsemen and ADW's jockey for position.

Not to mention all the interesting 'RACE' events of this past weekend that have hardly been covered in any of the threads.

HOWEVER

these aren't real issues. THE REAL ISSUE is the character of DUTROW.

That's what affects the daily routine of the typical handicapper.

As we would say in my neighborhood: GET THE **** OUT OF HERE WITH THIS ****.