Met Mile (Divine Park 109)

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Based on my opinion. I think Commentator is only capable of a big race under perfect circumstances, while the other two can adapt and still run fast races. That makes them better to me. I like judging horses based on things other than speed figures.

I'm sorry you hate Commentator. It must make it hard for you to get through the day.

I bet Bobby Frankel ( ya know....he trains First Defence...when Dixie is unavailable ) and Kiaran McKlaughlin would laugh at your assertions. The fact is that Commentator has run many races better than either of the supposed better horses you unobjectively called better. Divine Park had a dream trip in his one good race. The rest of his races are somewhere between marginal and horrible. First Defence, so far, has disappointed in any real test he has had, save perhaps the King's Bishop. Comparing them to Commentator is beyond laughable.

When you get the pps for the Met Mile I suggest you take a good look at them. Have a self relflective moment.....and see just how ridiculous your statement was.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm sorry you hate Commentator. It must make it hard for you to get through the day.

I bet Bobby Frankel ( ya know....he trains First Defence...when Dixie is unavailable ) and Kiaran McKlaughlin would laugh at your assertions. The fact is that Commentator has run many races better than either of the supposed better horses you unobjectively called better. Divine Park had a dream trip in his one good race. The rest of his races are somewhere between marginal and horrible. First Defence, so far, has disappointed in any real test he has had, save perhaps the King's Bishop. Comparing them to Commentator is beyond laughable.

When you get the pps for the Met Mile I suggest you take a good look at them. Have a self relflective moment.....and see just how ridiculous your statement was.

Take a breath Andy, it's a freaking opinion. Obviously I don't think either of them will beat Commentator if he's loose on the lead, and when he gets his own way, great, he runs fast times, but it's lame to say that he's better because he's got a bunch of big speed figures under perfect circumstances. I think consistent, if slightly slower horses are better than faster horses that need about seven horizontal lines in their past performances.

You make early judgments all the time.. "Harlem Rocker.. This is a very serious three-year-old".. You don't know that ****, but it's your opinion, and I'm not gonna step in and say "No, he isn't."

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Take a breath Andy, it's a freaking opinion. Obviously I don't think either of them will beat Commentator if he's loose on the lead, and when he gets his own way, great, he runs fast times, but it's lame to say that he's better because he's got a bunch of big speed figures under perfect circumstances. I think consistent, if slightly slower horses are better than faster horses that need about seven horizontal lines in their past performances.

You make early judgments all the time.. "Harlem Rocker.. This is a very serious three-year-old".. You don't know that ****, but it's your opinion, and I'm not gonna step in and say "No, he isn't."

Like it or not, Joey, I have a record to back up my opinions. You don't.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Like it or not, Joey, I have a record to back up my opinions. You don't.

So I guess I'm not allowed to have them? Didn't realize that's how this worked.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So I guess I'm not allowed to have them? Didn't realize that's how this worked.

You playing the victim? Do the boys in Brooklyn know about this?

Your " opinion " in this case is indefensible. Take a look at the relative pps, and as hard as it is try to forget how much you hate Commentator, and tell me seriously on Monday ( you're coming out....right? ) that you think they have form to back up that they are better horses.

Divine Park, if he continues to run like he did last time, might be ( at least now ). Who knows, First Defence, under Dixie's excellent tutelage, could impove. But, so far, Commentator has walked the walk....and they haven't.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You playing the victim? Do the boys in Brooklyn know about this?

Your " opinion " in this case is indefensible. Take a look at the relative pps, and as hard as it is try to forget how much you hate Commentator, and tell me seriously on Monday ( you're coming out....right? ) that you think they have form to back up that they are better horses.

Divine Park, if he continues to run like he did last time, might be ( at least now ). Who knows, First Defence, under Dixie's excellent tutelage, could impove. But, so far, Commentator has walked the walk....and they haven't.

dont they have 3 more years to walk..im a commentator fan and hope he runs well..and hope that we get a good race..

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You playing the victim? Do the boys in Brooklyn know about this?

Your " opinion " in this case is indefensible. Take a look at the relative pps, and as hard as it is try to forget how much you hate Commentator, and tell me seriously on Monday ( you're coming out....right? ) that you think they have form to back up that they are better horses.

Divine Park, if he continues to run like he did last time, might be ( at least now ). Who knows, First Defence, under Dixie's excellent tutelage, could impove. But, so far, Commentator has walked the walk....and they haven't.

It all depends on your definiton of "better", but I'm too exhausted to go down that road with you again. If your only criteria for judging performance is speed figures, then of course Commentator is better.

And I'm well-acquainted with his PP's, so a look at the Met Mile PP's won't tell me anything other than that he's going to run another 115-120 figure when allowed everything his own way. **** is boring to me, really. Maybe it gives Andy Beyer an erection, but not me.

I still think Divine Park and First Defence are as good as him, if not better. Sorry.

And yeah, I'll be out there on Monday with my old man. Hope to see ya.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It all depends on your definiton of "better", but I'm too exhausted to go down that road with you again. If your only criteria for judging performance is speed figures, then of course Commentator is better.

And I'm well-acquainted with his PP's, so a look at the Met Mile PP's won't tell me anything other than that he's going to run another 115-120 figure when allowed everything his own way. **** is boring to me, really. Maybe it gives Andy Beyer an erection, but not me.

I still think Divine Park and First Defence are as good as him, if not better. Sorry.

Yeah, silly me, I only look at speed figures.

You, on the other hand, might want to take accomplishments into account. First Defence has none.

As for being sorry......it's an interesting choice of words.

[XIIPointStables]

I've always been a fan of First Defence. Ran his guts out against Hard Spun at Saratoga. Got a good set up; never able to get all the way by and HS won it. Great throwdown in the stretch between those two.

I'm excited to see how he runs at a mile.

If Commentator is allowed to wheel it on the front, as much as I like First Defence, he's running for second. We'll see if anyone goes with Commentator early.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Like it or not, Joey, I have a record to back up my opinions. You don't.

so there joey.....jeez just whose sandbox do you think this??? ....j/k j/k

bytheway commentator has been looking like a fit and happy horse in the mornings

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

so there joey.....jeez just whose sandbox do you think this??? ....j/k j/k

bytheway commentator has been looking like a fit and happy horse in the mornings

Rubbin' a little salt in the wounds there, eh Dave?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Divine Park had a dream trip in his one good race.

This can't be used against him. I mean, Grasshopper, for example, had a comparable trip. The horse 'wipes them out' with an accelerating last quarter and you're putting the perfect trip tag on him?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This can't be used against him. I mean, Grasshopper, for example, had a comparable trip. The horse 'wipes them out' with an accelerating last quarter and you're putting the perfect trip tag on him?

His performance last time was terrific. No doubt. And, I have no problem with the assertion that he might prove a very good horse. But, and I know you will agree with this, the rest of his resume leaves a lot to be desired. Personally, I am always suspect of horses that have one explosive performance, out of relative nowhere, after a few OK to mediocre ( and in Divine Park's case....poor ) performances. To me, they need to stay sound and replicate these races a few times before I am sold. We have simply seen too many flashes in the pan over the years to get all excited after one " great " performance. I hope Divine Park has more to come, and will be FAR from surprised if he wins Monday, but his resume leaves too much to be desired, overall, to right now suggest he is a better horse than Commentator, given what that one has done many times in his career. Sure, Divine Park has more upside. It's May of his 4YO year whereas Commentator is an oft injured 7YO. However, Divine Park has a lot of proving to do to show that he is a better horse.

Including First Defence is what really makes the whole discussion laughable and exposes that the opinion is nothing more than a biased argument against Commentator. Hey, who knows, he's a young 4YO as well, and trained by a great trainer, so anything is possible. But, based on what he has done, it is virtually impossible that he will ever have a resume even mildly comparable, in any way, to Commentator. Who knows, maybe he too will beat Commentator on Monday, but he will still be left with a great deal to do to even remotely compare favorably to the 7YO.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

His performance last time was terrific. No doubt. And, I have no problem with the assertion that he might prove a very good horse. But, and I know you will agree with this, the rest of his resume leaves a lot to be desired. Personally, I am always suspect of horses that have one explosive performance, out of relative nowhere, after a few OK to mediocre ( and in Divine Park's case....poor ) performances. To me, they need to stay sound and replicate these races a few times before I am sold. We have simply seen too many flashes in the pan over the years to get all excited after one " great " performance. I hope Divine Park has more to come, and will be FAR from surprised if he wins Monday, but his resume leaves too much to be desired, overall, to right now suggest he is a better horse than Commentator, given what that one has done many times in his career. Sure, Divine Park has more upside. It's May of his 4YO year whereas Commentator is an oft injured 7YO. However, Divine Park has a lot of proving to do to show that he is a better horse.

Including First Defence is what really makes the whole discussion laughable and exposes that the opinion is nothing more than a biased argument against Commentator. Hey, who knows, he's a young 4YO as well, and trained by a great trainer, so anything is possible. But, based on what he has done, it is virtually impossible that he will ever have a resume even mildly comparable, in any way, to Commentator. Who knows, maybe he too will beat Commentator on Monday, but he will still be left with a great deal to do to even remotely compare favorably to the 7YO.

No doubt about it: First Defence is a PUNK. Nothing else to say about him.

And, DP will have to go a long way to remove the clinkers in SA and LRL from my mind. Hard to reconcile his race at KEE, the one against C P West, and his last performance with the two poor performances.

With that said: if DP replicates his last race, he beats the old horse.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

With that said: if DP replicates his last race, he beats the old horse.

You get no major argument from me. Unless Commentator runs his A race he won't beat Divine Park's last race. Tough for any old timer to do.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

No doubt about it: First Defence is a PUNK. Nothing else to say about him.



With that said: if DP replicates his last race, he beats the old horse.

i agree. a mile might be commentators undoing at this point in his career. the short field with no pace is his best hope though. divine park has gotten good and he has probably the best trainer around. i don't think his last race was a perfect set up. i think he pissed all over that field.

[SniperSB23]

When Monterey Jazz was in this race I was about as excited to bet this race as I have been since Pyro was the huge favorite in the Blue Grass. Now that he is out and there won't be any pace at all I have no interest in wagering a penny or in even watching it live. I'll catch the replay later and find something else to do while the race is being run. Fun to turn what is usually one of the races I'm most excited in each year into a walkover.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

When Monterey Jazz was in this race I was about as excited to bet this race as I have been since Pyro was the huge favorite in the Blue Grass. Now that he is out and there won't be any pace at all I have no interest in wagering a penny or in even watching it live. I'll catch the replay later and find something else to do while the race is being run. Fun to turn what is usually one of the races I'm most excited in each year into a walkover.

Then why aren't you betting out on Commentator?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i agree. a mile might be commentators undoing at this point in his career. the short field with no pace is his best hope though. divine park has gotten good and he has probably the best trainer around. i don't think his last race was a perfect set up. i think he pissed all over that field.

If they go 44 plus for the half and Commentator is on the lead it is over. He's undefeated when going 44+ in a sprint or 46+ in a route and on the lead and winless when that hasn't been the case.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

No doubt about it: First Defence is a PUNK. Nothing else to say about him.

Oh Yeah

And Durkin's call made it all the sweeter: "And here comes First Defence, confidently ridden".