For all the Big Brown Boneheads

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by justindew

Hey, I'm no Denis of Cork fan. But I think he's earned the distinction "very nice".

"Very nice" doesn't mean "great".

He's " very nice " relative to his total crop. He's nowhere close relative to good horses.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He's " very nice " relative to his total crop. He's nowhere close relative to good horses.

Like Zanjero and Nobiz?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by justindew

Like Zanjero and Nobiz?

Just like them. Good in their crop. Nowhere near good overall though.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by justindew

Like Zanjero and Nobiz?

So far he's not as good as Zanjero and nowhere near Nobiz's league.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So far he's not as good as Zanjero and nowhere near Nobiz's league.

I'm going to print this post, and frame it.

Yes!!!!

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by justindew

I'm going to print this post, and frame it.

Yes!!!!

Or

you might just bet some money on the plug in the Belmont.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Or

you might just bet some money on the plug in the Belmont.

I psyched about the props Andy gave to Zanjero, even though he doesn't realize it.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by justindew

I psyched about the props Andy gave to Zanjero, even though he doesn't realize it.

There are reasons I didn't expect Zanjero to win a Grade 1, like you did, this year. One is that I don't really think he's good enough ( don't forget, Pimlico hadn't faked their way into making the Grade 3 Shaeffer the Grade 1 Pim Special until March ). Now, I would have to say I did slightly overestimate this year's group ( which you, smartly, didn't ). However, the other reason is that Assmussen has not exactly had a good record of developing horses past 2 or 3. That trend is continuing.

And don't use Curlin as a counter example. It would be beneath you. I think you probably agree with me overall.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by justindew

I'm going to print this post, and frame it.

Yes!!!!

I think NoBiz is a very good horse. I also think Zanjero is pretty good as well.

I'll put it in relative terms....they were better 3YOs, by a reasonable amount, than Flashy Bull. Had either been sound, and made a reasonable progression from three to four, they could have been competitive in the top races as long as Curlin didn't run. Do you honestly think either one of them couldn't have won the Pimlico Special for instance? How about this year's Donn?

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think NoBiz is a very good horse. I also think Zanjero is pretty good as well.

I'll put it in relative terms....they were better 3YOs, by a reasonable amount, than Flashy Bull. Had either been sound, and made a reasonable progression from three to four, they could have been competitive in the top races as long as Curlin didn't run. Do you honestly think either one of them couldn't have won the Pimlico Special for instance? How about this year's Donn?

I'm now printing and framing this post instead.

This is my happiest Derby Trail moment.

You're gonna admit that Zanjero is a likely Grade I winner soon, aren't you?