For all the Big Brown Boneheads

[TheSpyder]

That's really my point. In the next 20 years do you think we'll see any greatness the way it was defined in the past? How? Horses will retire after 8-10 races and go to stud.

Man o' War was 20 for 21. Of course he was great as were the others you mentioned. I just think the game has changed where we won't see horses get to prove they are great. Maybe Big Brown wins the TC but maybe he would be better as a 4YO - 5YO but we won't find out with him or any 3YO from now on, unless for some reason they are gelded.

Maybe he's great, maybe he's not but you can't say in 6-7 races and that's all you'll get.

IF he wins the TC, 20 years from now he'll be remembered only because chances are it will not happen again or if it does, it will be very limited. He will be great because in the new world order we can only define these horses on limited running

Originally Posted by Danzig

ugh


seriously tho, i suggested a few months ago that if you wouldn't still be talking about the horse in 20 years, he's not great. man o war ran and retired before 1920-people still use him as a measuring stick. citation won the tc 55 years ago, and is still spoken of with reverence. secretariat, 35 years since he ran-we still wonder if we'll see something like him again.
you come back in 20 years and mention big brown-people will either say 'who?' or will say 'oh yeah, big brown. worst tc winner ever. but at least i got to see a tc win'. why? time will bring clarity, and lessen the emotions you're seeing right now.

[Danzig]

ok, so compare this horse to those who have run since whatever cutoff date. but someone compared this horse to secretariat the other day-there is NO comparison. you can't have it both ways. you can't say well, he can't be compared as he won't get the chance to prove himself like them, but then say he should be on the same list as those from the 'glory days'. and that's what people are trying to do.

some want a tc so bad, they are cheering for a horse who most years would get sneered at, because we need a tc just for the sake of winning a tc? how can it really mean anything, when a horse like big brown wins it? it would be a hollow victory.
hell, he has to win it first. it's all speculation one way or the other at this point...