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05-21-2008, 05:21 PM
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I think this year, we have a real strong bunch of true 12f horses who might just be good enough to be top notchers at 10f. They include the likes of Soldier of Fortune, Saddex, Getaway, Schiaparelli..
At 10f, I think these could be huge Archipenko - not european per se, but if he gets quick ground, will be a live threat, he has a lovely turn of foot.. Ramonti - reminds me of Falbrav, so so tough, id say he could win from 8-12f this year if they wanted a challenge.. Duke of Marmalade - O'Brien said that he was slightly in pain all of last year and ran well in defeat all season. Apparantly racing pain free and could be huge this year as he seems to go on anything Peeping Fawn - she turned into a monster last year and while it can be tricky for many older fillies and mares to keep their form, if she does, she should beat the guys New Approach - As No Chance said, hasnt raced over 10f, but I think the way he runs, that 10f would seem to be his ideal trip. Doctor Dino - you'd know him well enough, but he truly loves fast ground and a strong pace... Balius - another traveller who seems to have upped his form abroad.. I know I am probably forgetting a few but will add to this list.
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05-21-2008, 10:02 PM
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05-22-2008, 02:12 PM
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Not sure how well Sixties Icon won today, but that was over 10 furlongs, and on the best of his form he couldn't be excluded from the list.
With regards to Getaway, I'm not convinced he would handle the drop in distance to ten furlongs. He seems to have plenty of stamina, and might find himself taken off his feet in a strongly run ten furlong race. I would love to see New Approach run in something like the Classic on a synthetic surface, but it's not gonna happen.
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05-22-2008, 02:34 PM
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I think that if you want to look at who the top Europeans that will come over here for the 10f Classic are, you have to look at the best European milers. I've always felt that when the Euro's come here, they usually prefer at least a length more over here than they do over there. Because of the kinds of courses and they ways they race over there, milers are more slanted towards stamina than what most American's would expect. Here, the mile is an elongated sprint.
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05-22-2008, 02:55 PM
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well the last 2 horses that ran very well on the dirt, Giants Causeway and Sakhee were on opposite sides of the stamina spectrum regarding the classic. 10f seemed to stretch GC to the limit while Sakhee, effective at 10f, was possobly better over 12. You could at least say that 10f would be the shortest he'd have wanted it..
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05-22-2008, 02:57 PM
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I honestly think these good Monsun's turn into superhorses around 5. I think Getaway would be very effective over 10.
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05-23-2008, 02:15 PM
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I have noticed that, on the synthetic surfaces over here (polytrack especially) horses do tend to need that little bit further. For example, a good miler on turf, would probably appreciate nine or ten furlongs on the synthetic surface. Maybe it's simply because these tracks are flat, and geared far less towards stamina, as you say sniper.
You also have to look at the type of european horse that would cope with how these American races are run. The likes of Ramonti, who would be typically be ridden from the front to control the gallop (how he's been ridden before) probably wouldn't be suited by the American 'hit the gates and go' type of race. It's not all about being good, but it's about being adaptable with regards to pace and where they like to be ridden from. You get some horses who show only just above average form in moderate group races, but as soon as they run in the top class races with a strong gallop, they usually run out of their skin. Youmzain would be the obvious one to mention.
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