Cork him

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

Tony Reinstedler and his assistant Leslie did a great job with Saint Liam. The horse was going to win as a 4yr old if he stayed with Reinstedler or left for Dutrow. Top horses win wherever they go.

Warren is the one who screwed up with Denis of Cork, not David Carroll. But considering he took Saint Liam away from Reinstedler it wouldn't surprise me if they gave Denis of Cork to Dutrow.

Dutrow relies on steroids much more than Carroll or Reinstedler and I get the feeling that is what allows Dutrow horses to make a huge jump up.

What is funny is how Dutrow says he doesn't know if steroids work but he keeps giving them the 15th of every month.

Doesn't matter. Steroids will be gone within the year.

Of course they do. That's why they're top horses, right?

[Strategic Mission]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Of course they do. That's why they're top horses, right?

Yes and no. It is hard to argue with the success Dutrow has had win Kip Deville and a horse like Saint Liam.

My skepticism of Dutrow though was always how much he moved up average horses say in the 9th on a typical Wednesday at Belmont. There were quite a few that came from decent barns that he moved up considerably. I just don't understand what a trainer can do to get an average horse to run much faster. I am assuming the steroids he uses must have something to do with it. There really just are not that many things that are different from trainer to trainer.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

I am assuming the steroids he uses must have something to do with it. There really just are not that many things that are different from trainer to trainer.

About 70% of horses tested positive for steroids in a HUGE blind sample taken in PA a few years ago - about 90% trainers use steroids - you really think that is Dutrow's edge? Something that is used by almost everyone?

[slotdirt]

PA is one of the few states where steroid regulations have now gone into effect.

[Strategic Mission]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

About 70% of horses tested positive for steroids in a HUGE blind sample taken in PA a few years ago - about 90% trainers use steroids - you really think that is Dutrow's edge? Something that is used by almost everyone?

Do they all use it as often as 1x a month?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

Do they all use it as often as 1x a month?

According to rival trainers - in Lake's case - about once every ten days.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

According to rival trainers - in Lake's case - about once every ten days.

I would humbly suggest - humbly, mind you - that Mr. Lake might just be an outlier in this instance.

[the_fat_man]

This is all way beyond me. I couldn't possibly understand all the nuances of this game.

I do know, however, that when I ride my bike, I seem to go faster when I'm down on the bars, in a more aerodynamic position, AND when I'm looking straight ahead rather than looking behind every couple of pedal strokes. And, I tend to go faster when I pedal ALL OUT, rather than just spin casually. Of course, I'm ATYPICAL.


I am, however, very much in agreement to some in this in a peripheral sense, as, if it were actually the case, the WHIP would serve no purpose in the game. And this would be a very good thing. I mean, "in hand", "driving", "eased up", "all out", "heavy pressure", 'lasted" are all synonyms.

Damn, the game just got a hell of a lot simpler in terms of vocabulary.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

Do they all use it as often as 1x a month?

What makes you think 1x a month is a lot?