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Old 05-19-2008, 12:29 PM
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I never like the layoff excuse for a horse that was able to win their career debut. Especially as impressively as she did. That told me she could run well without having to round into shape. I was thoroughly disappointed in her return.
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Old 05-19-2008, 01:48 PM
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I never like the layoff excuse for a horse that was able to win their career debut. Especially as impressively as she did. That told me she could run well without having to round into shape. I was thoroughly disappointed in her return.

She won how disappointed could you be. Is she suppose to win by 10 in her firse race in forever? Your tough geez
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Old 05-19-2008, 01:50 PM
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She won how disappointed could you be. Is she suppose to win by 10 in her firse race in forever? Your tough geez
It's tough to expect stakes horses to look like stakes horses when running against lower level types?
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Old 05-19-2008, 01:56 PM
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Wasn't it like her third race? Have a heart...Obviously something went wrong with her and she needed time. She comes back at 6.5 wins and you are disappointed.. Perhaps when she won at first asking she wasn't coming off an injury?
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Old 05-19-2008, 02:03 PM
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Wasn't it like her third race? Have a heart...Obviously something went wrong with her and she needed time. She comes back at 6.5 wins and you are disappointed.. Perhaps when she won at first asking she wasn't coming off an injury?
Perhaps. Who knows, maybe she comes out next time and wins by 20 earning a 120 Beyer? But that won't have anything to do with yesterday's race. Yesterday, I was disappointed because I wanted to see more. Now, that doesn't necessarily equate to saying she was disappointing. Just that my expectations weren't reach so I was disappointed.
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Old 05-19-2008, 02:38 PM
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don't forget her prior two races where on dirt, and all her training has been at Santa Anita.

its not automatic when they cross over to the Hollywood cushion that the form follows, especially on the first try.

or she may not be the same now. time will tell.
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Old 05-19-2008, 02:37 PM
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She won how disappointed could you be. Is she suppose to win by 10 in her firse race in forever? Your tough geez
What do you expect from KG, he just suggested that a horse able to win its debut against NON-WINNERS is somehow obligated to win its comeback following injury against multiple WINNERS in impressive fashion.

Not to mention handle a dramatic surface switch from dirt to synthetic.
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Old 05-19-2008, 04:22 PM
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What do you expect from KG, he just suggested that a horse able to win its debut against NON-WINNERS is somehow obligated to win its comeback following injury against multiple WINNERS in impressive fashion.

Not to mention handle a dramatic surface switch from dirt to synthetic.
She also won the stake at Santa Anita against winners. I used the debut race to say that in my eyes, she has proven she can run well fresh, how how much she should win by. In my opinion, I didn't see the same pureness in her running that I did in her two races last year. But again, I'm not saying that she ran a disappointing race but only that the results didn't meet the expectations that I had for her. Judging by the responses in this thread, I don't think I'm alone. I don't think many people expect 2/5 shots to be all out to nose out 25/1 shot either. But hey, maybe yesterday was exactly what you expected so you are thrilled. I don't know.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:29 AM
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She also won the stake at Santa Anita against winners. I used the debut race to say that in my eyes, she has proven she can run well fresh, how how much she should win by. In my opinion, I didn't see the same pureness in her running that I did in her two races last year. But again, I'm not saying that she ran a disappointing race but only that the results didn't meet the expectations that I had for her. Judging by the responses in this thread, I don't think I'm alone. I don't think many people expect 2/5 shots to be all out to nose out 25/1 shot either. But hey, maybe yesterday was exactly what you expected so you are thrilled. I don't know.
From Webster's:

disappoint: fail to fulfill the expectations of (someone)
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Old 05-21-2008, 10:10 AM
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From Webster's:

disappoint: fail to fulfill the expectations of (someone)
Which is exactly what I said. I'm sure she met the expectations of some. But just not mine. It's no different than Michael Jordan going out and scoring 50 and saying he's disappointed in his game because he went 6-12 from the line. A good performance can be disappointing to someone if that someone had higher expectations than just seeing a good performance.

What does Webster's say about "perspective"?
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Which is exactly what I said. I'm sure she met the expectations of some. But just not mine. It's no different than Michael Jordan going out and scoring 50 and saying he's disappointed in his game because he went 6-12 from the line. A good performance can be disappointing to someone if that someone had higher expectations than just seeing a good performance.

What does Webster's say about "perspective"?
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perspective: condescending, myopic point of view that fails to take into account a myriad of immeasurable factors influencing overt phenomena, often resulting in extremes in judgment.
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