Beyer still not sold on Big Brown

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

I've only been watching horse racing seriously on a national level for about 5 years, so I give up a lot of experience and wisdom to many on here. But if you watch all of Big Brown races, you have to be an idiot to not be impressed with the ease and brilliance he demonstrates when he runs.

GhostZapper is probably the best horse I've seen in the past 5 years, but it seemed he never coasted to victory, instead always having to work for it (granted, he didn't exude his greatness until he was an older horse).

I just think horses that can destroy large grade 1 fields with relative ease on dirt over and over again like Big Brown should be appreciated for how rare of an accomplishment that is, rather than ridiculued.

this is true. but i also see why some people have questions. for one, none of these horses are that fast. hes never been tried. the pace in the derby and preakness was slow. i want to see him win at belmont and i'll be there. but if they retire BB after the belmont, its a cop out. many horses in that race yesterday were eligible for non winners allowance company. come on already, what kind of grade 1 was that ? when horses run against inferior comp , of course they look great. if they quit with this horse in june , no one will ever know how good he is or could of been . bernardini used to look the same way until the waters got deep , which is usually the BC classic.

[MLC]

The consensus then is that we probably won't know how good he is. The prevailing opinion on this board is that we won't see him after the Belmont. While I wasn't a Bernardini fan: when the waters got deep in the BC Classic, he did not disgrace himself. He ran a good race and was beaten by a better horse.

[Round Pen]

No no I agree CM I was speaking of the Derby IF you took the 6 horses that had just run a 0 under Big Brown you come up with a $3400 Tri

[the_fat_man]

So TG is looking for BB to bounce and Dutrow is blowing him out the morning of the race? Go figure.

[Danzig]

just because big brown won, does not make him a fast horse-just faster than what he faced, which wasn't much. it's a shame that he hasn't faced much of quality, since it lessens whatever he accomplishes. but it's hard to warm up to a horse who just barely breaks three digits in a classic race. i've seen better, tons better. but what can you do?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Danzig

just because big brown won, does not make him a fast horse-just faster than what he faced, which wasn't much. it's a shame that he hasn't faced much of quality, since it lessens whatever he accomplishes. but it's hard to warm up to a horse who just barely breaks three digits in a classic race. i've seen better, tons better. but what can you do?

Sounds like you need a week at a BEYER detox facility.

To loosely quote my good friend Vanderbilt (from F-Troop), asked what type of woman he wanted when O'Rourke and Agarn were ordering mail order brides: "I just want a girl named SHirley; they all look the same to me".

[Bobby Fischer]

speaking of "tons better"

[ceejay]

Originally Posted by Danzig

just because big brown won, does not make him a fast horse-just faster than what he faced, which wasn't much. it's a shame that he hasn't faced much of quality, since it lessens whatever he accomplishes. but it's hard to warm up to a horse who just barely breaks three digits in a classic race. i've seen better, tons better. but what can you do?

But if he wins the Belmont winning these three races in the five weeks is quite an accomplishment. We've seen better horses fail.....

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ceejay

But if he wins the Belmont winning these three races in the five weeks is quite an accomplishment. We've seen better horses fail.....

if

and yeah, it's an accomplishment. but there's no way i'd put this horse on par with many who have won it, or came close but couldn't pull it off for one reason or another.
he's gotta win it first tho.