Evening Attire

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

No offense, but I'm not really interested in what he thinks about it. I'm more interested why the stewards allow it. What do you think?

He's a bad gate horse. There are a whole slew of bad gate horses. Where do you draw the line? Two lengths slow? Five lengths slow? Refusal to break? As a bettor, you know he's likely to break slowly and factor that into the equation as to what's a fair price. He did win a graded stakes race in December despite a slow break and almost won another today.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

He's a bad gate horse. There are a whole slew of bad gate horses. Where do you draw the line? Two lengths slow? Five lengths slow? Refusal to break? As a bettor, you know he's likely to break slowly and factor that into the equation as to what's a fair price. He did win a graded stakes race in December despite a slow break and almost won another today.

I see it the same way... he's an old guy and does it his own way, so you have to factor in what . At 12F the break doesn't mean a hoot, for that matter.

I'll bet Racecar Rhapsody spots them 10 on Saturday at the first call. Should he not start?

[zippyneedsawin]

so here's a horse who is competitive in stakes races as a 10 year old, and people still find a reason to be critical of him?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

so here's a horse who is competitive in stakes races as a 10 year old, and people still find a reason to be critical of him?

I like the horse, always have. Aside from that, as a bettor, I'm just curious where the line is drawn on situations like this. I also like that he takes a lot of wasted money when he runs...again as a bettor.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I like the horse, always have. Aside from that, as a bettor, I'm just curious where the line is drawn on situations like this. I also like that he takes a lot of wasted money when he runs...again as a bettor.

I have no clue why you would suggest that the steward could should or would stop a horse from earning.. Why in the world would not want to see him compete if sound and enjoying himself. I am sure when he stops being competitive he will have a nice paddock and all the best hay to eat..

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I have no clue why you would suggest that the steward could should or would stop a horse from earning.. Why in the world would not want to see him compete if sound and enjoying himself. I am sure when he stops being competitive he will have a nice paddock and all the best hay to eat..

I look at his gate habits like I do breakers in harness racing. Do they let them go on racing forever without showing they are over the issue?

It wouldn't be the first time a horse has been barred from racing to protect the gamblers, but I'm sure you know that already.

[freddymo]

The horse is placing in stakes races the public is in no harm.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I look at his gate habits like I do breakers in harness racing. Do they let them go on racing forever without showing they are over the issue?

It wouldn't be the first time a horse has been barred from racing to protect the gamblers, but I'm sure you know that already.

Where do you draw the line of what the public needs protection from? So he breaks slow and doesn't always get there. But he did manage to win a graded race recently.

Shall we also protect bettors by barring high speed types who almost always quit at the 1/8 pole but occasionally manage to win?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by philcski

I'll bet Racecar Rhapsody spots them 10 on Saturday at the first call. Should he not start?

I've got a vibe that he's closer this time around.

[The Bid]

If this were an unknown horse who broke slow consistantly I cant imagine the starter/stewards wouldnt address the situation.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Bid

If this were an unknown horse who broke slow consistantly I cant imagine the starter/stewards wouldnt address the situation.

Ding, ding, ding...that was the point. I was probably a bit over the top in the initial post just to stir things up.

[Pedigree Ann]

Evening Attire has developed a style of running that the stewards and everyone who can read PPs are aware of. Would it make any difference if he broke with his field and then dropped 5 lengths out back in the first furlong? He'd rather break 5 lengths behind and take up his position without the hassle. EA knows what he is doing; put 115 or more dead weight on him and he would run his race just fine, but the stewards insist on somebody doing the steering.

[MisterB]

Great run Joe

[Norfolk]

I think I understand this now. Attire ran a 99 beyers number yesterday that is as high or higher than 11 out or 13 runners in tomorrow $1,000,000 Grade 1 Preakness. Therefore we should all get on the phone and tell the stewards to scratch those 11 slow horses from the Preakness.

[sumitas]

I believe Whirlaway, the only horse ever to win the triple crown and Travers, walked out of the gate.

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by Norfolk

I think I understand this now. Attire ran a 99 beyers number yesterday that is as high or higher than 11 out or 13 runners in tomorrow $1,000,000 Grade 1 Preakness. Therefore we should all get on the phone and tell the stewards to scratch those 11 slow horses from the Preakness.

I laughed..

I just love your old, GRAY, boy, thanks for taking such good care of him and letting us share in the fun.

[Bobby Fischer]

back to reality

a good race where he "almost gets 'em", Is a Win-Win Situation for fans and those looking to play against next race.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Norfolk

I think I understand this now. Attire ran a 99 beyers number yesterday that is as high or higher than 11 out or 13 runners in tomorrow $1,000,000 Grade 1 Preakness. Therefore we should all get on the phone and tell the stewards to scratch those 11 slow horses from the Preakness.

Although I am happy Evening Attire is still around and well.. I don't think that is CJ's point.. Which i don't agree with but does have some merit. CJ is a well educated and a highly experienced player, he isn't going to make a bunch of inflamatory comments about a wonderful horse like Evening Attire without some justification.

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Although I am happy Evening Attire is still around and well.. I don't think that is CJ's point.. Which i don't agree with but does have some merit. CJ is a well educated and a highly experienced player, he isn't going to make a bunch of inflamatory comments about a wonderful horse like Evening Attire without some justification.

I know this was not addressed to me, but I also realize that was the point. Still made me laugh...
I also know CJ is very, very knoweldgeable, dylbert brought his figures to the Fairgrounds on derby day and they were quite spot on.

However as a knowledgeable player, everyone knows EA walks out of the gate, how is that hurting the bettor? And he runs a good race almost every time, he is known as a well off the pace closer, so I just don't see why there would be any reason to even question his ability as a game racehorse that would negatively affect the bettor.
Frankly he payed pretty well yesterday if you only P/S'd him for 2 you would have doubled your money.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Norfolk

I think I understand this now. Attire ran a 99 beyers number yesterday that is as high or higher than 11 out or 13 runners in tomorrow $1,000,000 Grade 1 Preakness. Therefore we should all get on the phone and tell the stewards to scratch those 11 slow horses from the Preakness.

now that's funny !