Wayne Catalano-Frank Calebrese

Thomas M. Amoss $2,018,748 32%
Basically did at FG what Catalano does in Chicago.
W. Bret Calhoun $1,745,865 30%
This guy has always been suspect
Jamie Ness $1,129,774 35%
Same with this one
Stephanie S. Beattie $941,075 37%
Don't get me started
Brian A. Lynch $903,821 33%
Stronach's b.itch. Check the win percentage at non-Magna tracks.

The others have ridiculously high win percentages and he SMOKES them. It's not even close. It's outlandish. It's like Jesus is his co-pilot.



Wayne M. Catalano $849,249 43%

Holy s.hit!! He's the best trainer in America!!!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Holy s.hit!! He's the best trainer in America!!!

Since being disingenuous is sort of your thing, I get that I'm wasting my time responding.

But really, if this is all so outrageous, go find the horses that should have beaten them in their 12 wins.

I'd imagine, if you were for once willing to be intellectually honest, that you would be hard pressed to find more than a dozen combined.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Since being disingenuous is sort of your thing, I get that I'm wasting my time responding.

But really, if this is all so outrageous, go find the horses that should have beaten them in their 12 wins.

I'd imagine, if you were for once willing to be intellectually honest, that you would be hard pressed to find more than a dozen combined.

How about you find 10 trainers in the past three years that have a winning percentage that high.

If you don't, you can come back and tell me that this opportunity Catalano has taken advantage of only happens in Chicago, douchebag.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

How about you find 10 trainers in the past three years that have a winning percentage that high.

If you don't, you can come back and tell me that this opportunity Catalano has taken advantage of only happens in Chicago, douchebag.

Jesus, you're tired.

You're crying about numbers that a guy racks up. I continue to say that it makes perfect sense given who he is running his horses against.

So your question is terribly irrelevant to what I'm saying, and my question about which races exactly they shouldn't be winning remains terribly relevant.

I'm not particularly concerned with his final winning percentage as opposed to other trainers -- I'm concerned with all this hemming and hawing about the fact that he is winning so much, when nobody is taking the time to figure out that nearly all of these horses should be winning their races in the first place. That leads to the big numbers, obviously, which I've already covered.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Jesus, you're tired.

You're crying about numbers that a guy racks up. I continue to say that it makes perfect sense given who he is running his horses against.

So your question is terribly irrelevant to what I'm saying, and my question about which races exactly they shouldn't be winning remains terribly relevant.

I'm not particularly concerned with his final winning percentage as opposed to other trainers -- I'm concerned with all this hemming and hawing about the fact that he is winning so much, when nobody is taking the time to figure out that nearly all of these horses should be winning their races in the first place. That leads to the big numbers, obviously, which I've already covered.

Wow we're on another level of homerism here, folks.

You're right. There is nothing odd about the 70% win clip because these horses were supposed to win. And, as we all know, the best horse on paper wins 70% of the time.

Who can argue with this guy? He's right all of the time!! He got you HRTV on Comcast, people!!!

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Wow we're on another level of homerism here, folks.

You're right. There is nothing odd about the 70% win clip because these horses were supposed to win. And, as we all know, the best horse on paper wins 70% of the time.

Who can argue with this guy? He's right all of the time!! He got you HRTV on Comcast, people!!!

Coach, he is running better horses against bad competition in 6 horse races, how much trouble can they get into out there in a 6 horse race?

Have you see the horses that he has been beating, they shouldn't be at the levels that they are at.

Originally Posted by Scav

Coach, he is running better horses against bad competition in 6 horse races, how much trouble can they get into out there in a 6 horse race?

Have you see the horses that he has been beating, they shouldn't be at the levels that they are at.

Scav how many times have you seen a horse take a drop in class from a top trainer and run completely out of the money?

This guy has had two off the board finishes out of 17 starts. That's unbelievable no matter how big the class drop is. It's suspicious as hell.

[Cannon Shell]

They have claimed a few off me in the past that I dont think they ever did much with.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Wow we're on another level of homerism here, folks.

You're right. There is nothing odd about the 70% win clip because these horses were supposed to win. And, as we all know, the best horse on paper wins 70% of the time.

Who can argue with this guy? He's right all of the time!! He got you HRTV on Comcast, people!!!

Again, you're entirely more concerned with taking pathetic, and frankly unclever, potshots at me than you are with actually making any sense or backing up what you're saying instead of just whining about numbers without worrying about how they end up where they are.

It's a time-tested tactic. If you've got nothing, call people names, make an eyeliner joke, and pretend that it makes you even remotely close to being right.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Again, you're entirely more concerned with taking pathetic, and frankly unclever, potshots at me than you are with actually making any sense or backing up what you're saying instead of just whining about numbers without worrying about how they end up where they are.

It's a time-tested tactic. If you've got nothing, call people names, make an eyeliner joke, and pretend that it makes you even remotely close to being right.

A sissy saying I'm crying and whining. Classic.

He's got the highest winning percentage by 6% and you're DEFENDING him. Either you're brain dead or you're planning on working in the industry...oh wait...you've already started in the industry.

NEVERMIND.

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Thomas M. Amoss $2,018,748 32%
Basically did at FG what Catalano does in Chicago.
W. Bret Calhoun $1,745,865 30%
This guy has always been suspect
Jamie Ness $1,129,774 35%
Same with this one
Stephanie S. Beattie $941,075 37%
Don't get me started
Brian A. Lynch $903,821 33%
Stronach's b.itch. Check the win percentage at non-Magna tracks.

The others have ridiculously high win percentages and he SMOKES them. It's not even close. It's outlandish. It's like Jesus is his co-pilot.



Wayne M. Catalano $849,249 43%

Superstar Trainer 2008 Update as of today

Brian Lynch...can't find info. Off the map!!!
Thomas M. Amoss $3,879,602 29%
W. Bret Calhoun $3,711,716 28%
Jamie Ness $2,179,160 32%
Stephanie S. Beattie $2,009,486 36%

Wayne M. Catalano 2,002,543 39%

All had drops in percentage.

Calhoun and Amoss brought home some serious coin.

Catalano was 34.9% after the hot streak at Arlington...38.5% for the meet....56% wp percentage. Still a ridiculous number yet not as damning.

What I'd like to know is how many trainers with over 200 runners in a year have held a winning percentage that high.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Superstar Trainer 2008 Update as of today

Brian Lynch...can't find info. Off the map!!!
Thomas M. Amoss $3,879,602 29%
W. Bret Calhoun $3,711,716 28%
Jamie Ness $2,179,160 32%
Stephanie S. Beattie $2,009,486 36%

Wayne M. Catalano 2,002,543 39%

All had drops in percentage.

Calhoun and Amoss brought home some serious coin.

Catalano was 34.9% after the hot streak at Arlington...38.5% for the meet....56% wp percentage. Still a ridiculous number yet not as damning.
What I'd like to know is how many trainers with over 200 runners in a year have held a winning percentage that high.

I have to admit that I had to throw up the white flag from this thread back in May. What really changed my opinion ( besides Coach calling me a dupe and an idiot) was the ridiculous 1) lack of people who would claim off them because 2) Horses rarely, if ever won, let alone finished in the coin first off the claim. And if you were smart enough to run them right back off the claim and run decently, then the second time out you were really screwed.

[philcski]

This was a fascinating thread, I don't know what to make of these guys professionally but I know I don't like them, especially after his comments on Million Day.

[Split Rock]

[quote=Coach Pants]Superstar Trainer 2008 Update as of today

Brian Lynch...can't find info. Off the map!!!
Thomas M. Amoss $3,879,602 29%
W. Bret Calhoun $3,711,716 28%
Jamie Ness $2,179,160 32%
Stephanie S. Beattie $2,009,486 36%

Wayne M. Catalano 2,002,543 39%

All had drops in percentage.

Calhoun and Amoss brought home some serious coin.

Catalano was 34.9% after the hot streak at Arlington...38.5% for the meet....56% wp percentage. Still a ridiculous number yet not as damning.

What I'd like to know is how many trainers with over 200 runners in a year have held a winning percentage that high.[/QUOTE]

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