Casino Drive Beyer vs Unbridleds Heart Beyer

[Bobby Fischer]

say Big Brown has to run 9 furlongs @ GP from the 12 post. The beyer doesn't reward the 5 lengths he lost before the race in the draw.
Or say some cheap speed horse gets a 5 length lead at the half and runs an uncontested 6 furlongs in 1:09 = he doesn't get anything deducted for being dealt a beautiful hand.
There is no big brown , there is no cheap horse, all I see is a final time, and a track variant.


well that is the utopian view.

in reality we see projections, we see pre-judging a race or a horse by their ability or class. we see variants made by the evaluation of a horse, as opposed to the track.
All this, and these guys do a great job with the figures and produce a great resource for horseplayers. It's hard to make good figures and these guys do it.

[CSC]

Aren't numbers a subjective guess anyway? I think Steve was right earlier saying "Beyers don't do the actual running" All they offer us is an educated guess on a horses performance.

It is for this reason I am leaning on the side that Casino Drive's race was not as impressive as universally thought of. It was ok a good performance but nothing earth shattering in my eyes.

The main difference we have here is in Harlem Rocker's case as compared with the performance of Casino Drive's, is one horse ran down an already established horse in J BE K who was loose on the lead, with disdainful ease. The other ran down a tiring pace setter who is not in the same class at this point of J BE K. To me the numbers are an accurate reflection of this. No doubt in my mind which performance was better.

[cmorioles]

After what I posted, I'm pretty surprised to see the last race was given an 85. I'd love to hear the thinking on how 11 race maiden Another Hades suddenly ran a career best by 3 lengths while getting beaten rather easily.

This, in a nutshell, is why I make my own numbers. I think the New York guy, for one, makes a lot of mistakes. It will be interesting the track the top three from the last race.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

say Big Brown has to run 9 furlongs @ GP from the 12 post. The beyer doesn't reward the 5 lengths he lost before the race in the draw.
Or say some cheap speed horse gets a 5 length lead at the half and runs an uncontested 6 furlongs in 1:09 = he doesn't get anything deducted for being dealt a beautiful hand.
There is no big brown , there is no cheap horse, all I see is a final time, and a track variant.


well that is the utopian view.

in reality we see projections, we see pre-judging a race or a horse by their ability or class. we see variants made by the evaluation of a horse, as opposed to the track.
All this, and these guys do a great job with the figures and produce a great resource for horseplayers. It's hard to make good figures and these guys do it.

Why does he lose five lengths automatically simply because of his post? Does running style matter? Does Giacomo lose the same amount as Big Brown?