Casino Drive

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Funny, I've always been under the impression that dirt is dirt, and mostly when you hear " he didn't like the track " in these situations it is the usual trainerspeak BS.

but then you have horses for courses, so who knows?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but then you have horses for courses, so who knows?

Maybe you have horses for courses. I don't.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Maybe you have horses for courses. I don't.

there was a horse not too long ago who only won at belmont, no where else. i could see betting him there, but with his record elsewhere, you'd be crazy to include him. that's not a horse for a course?

[ArlJim78]

two questions;

did DeSormeaux say that Casino Drive was the best horse he has ever ridden,
and
is Tomcito now officially off the triple crown trail?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

two questions;

did DeSormeaux say that Casino Drive was the best horse he has ever ridden,
and
is Tomcito now officially off the triple crown trail?

Tomcito is a riot. Some people will believe anything.

[tiggerv]

Anybody want to school me on the trainer of Casino Drive?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by tiggerv

Anybody want to school me on the trainer of Casino Drive?

do you remember a horse named 'dance in the mood'? she came over from japan to run in the american oaks, and finished second (by sunday silence btw). she came back a year later and took the cashcall-set a new record as well. this guy trained her. man, she was fun to watch-even if only twice.

[Danzig]

i did a quick search on this guy, top trainer 11 times in japan according to the article i scanned. he had zenno rob roy, symboli kris s--nice horses.

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by Danzig

do you remember a horse named 'dance in the mood'? she came over from japan to run in the american oaks, and finished second (by sunday silence btw). she came back a year later and took the cashcall-set a new record as well. this guy trained her. man, she was fun to watch-even if only twice.

Ahh, I do remember the cashcall. I believe that was one of the many races where Dancin Edie cost me money.

Sounds like he is in good hands. Thanks.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by tiggerv

Anybody want to school me on the trainer of Casino Drive?

In addition to the info above:

The Trainer for the Japanese entry 'Kazuo Fujisawa' is currently 10th in the Trainer standings in Japan as of the end of April 2008. His strike rate is a respectable 16.2% - from 74 entries.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

two questions; did DeSormeaux say that Casino Drive was the best horse he has ever ridden?

Desormeaux actually DID say it, tongue in cheek, but was seriously impressed after the race.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Desormeaux actually DID say it, tongue in cheek, but was seriously impressed after the race.

Early reports are he got a 101 beyer for the effort? I thought it would have been slightly higher. Still needs to improve abit to reach Big Brown and Harlem Rocker's top beyers.

[saratogabrit]

I don't think that they will come over in Deep Impact numbers but I think a large number will be swayed into making the trip if the Triple Crown is on the line. If Casino Drive wins-history is made. If not they may well see a Triple Crown.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by CSC

Early reports are he got a 101 beyer for the effort? I thought it would have been slightly higher. Still needs to improve abit to reach Big Brown and Harlem Rocker's top beyers.

Well, I'm a big figure believer/user, but the Beyers don't do the actual running.

It was Casino Drive's 2nd.. SECOND.. career start. And off a layoff. He was absolutely terrific. And should only be better in 4 weeks.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Well, I'm a big figure believer/user, but the Beyers don't do the actual running.

It was Casino Drive's 2nd.. SECOND.. career start. And off a layoff. He was absolutely terrific. And should only be better in 4 weeks.

I agree it was a good performance considering it was only his second career performance, can't take that away from him one bit. All the credit to his connections for shipping in. I only have 1 concern what was the quality of the field he beat yesterday? I think the telling sign was Mint Lane holding on for second off of a very fair pace. No one else was making an impact down the stretch when perhaps they should have been.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Well, I'm a big figure believer/user, but the Beyers don't do the actual running.

It was Casino Drive's 2nd.. SECOND.. career start. And off a layoff. He was absolutely terrific. And should only be better in 4 weeks.

Why is he going to be better in 4 weeks? Just because. It was a very nice start to his US career.. I was impressed but I have no clue why or how you can think he is going to be better in 4 weeks.. Will he be better in 3 weeks or 6 weeks or just 4? My point is not to be a jerk it's just I don't get why we should figure anything about the colt. It's not like we understand or have stats on the trainer which suggest second off a layoff is when his colts do there best running..do we? He ran well he beat garbarge and ran a solid BSF.. Lets see and hope.. I will say if the mare gets 3 Belmont winners in row it is a feat that defines any logic, especially with one of the 3 being a filly.

Looking forward to the 2012 Belmont when Giant RAG (Giants Causeway- Rags to Riches and named for my first wife) comes to the Belmont the M/L fave

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by CSC

Early reports are he got a 101 beyer for the effort? I thought it would have been slightly higher. Still needs to improve abit to reach Big Brown and Harlem Rocker's top beyers.

We had two route races yesterday that were terrific in terms of final time.

The maiden in the 5th(UH) who got loose on the lead, and ran a very fast 8.5furlongs,
and the newcomer in the Peter Pan(CD) who ran the very fast 9furlongs.

Either you have to go and say "both of these were extremely good final times", or you can claim the track had more influence, and make a safer estimate.

You assume more responsibility, if you say both fast races on the same day/track where both among the year's leaders.

Hence the low scores

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

We had two route races yesterday that were terrific in terms of final time.

The maiden in the 5th(UH) who got loose on the lead, and ran a very fast 8.5furlongs,
and the newcomer in the Peter Pan(CD) who ran the very fast 9furlongs.

Either you have to go and say "both of these were extremely good final times", or you can claim the track had more influence, and make a safer estimate.

You assume more responsibility, if you say both fast races on the same day/track where both among the year's leaders.

Hence the low scores

Good point UH ran a fast race for a Mdn Sp Wt. I don't think the track was playing overly fast yesterday. The Bold Ruler seemed like it was run in a fair time. Which gives more credence to CD's backers.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by CSC

Early reports are he got a 101 beyer for the effort? I thought it would have been slightly higher. Still needs to improve abit to reach Big Brown and Harlem Rocker's top beyers.

Yet another made up number, if the 99 or 101 reported versus the 100 for Unbridled's Heart are accurate. They're just not in line which what is correct for 8.5F versus 9F at Belmont, which is 6.75 seconds for "average" types (20K claimers). So Casino Drive's time of 5.75 seconds higher than Unbridled's Heart should be 6.3 lengths faster, or about 9 Beyer points at that distance. I don't buy the "track sped up" for the last two races one bit.

How can anyone believe these figures these days when they're so obviously manipulated???

[pick4]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Maybe you have horses for courses. I don't.

Horses for courses is an overused cliche but it's true with certain horses.
Silver Train nearly broke the track record for six and a half the first time he ran at Belmont on July 2,2005. He followed that up with winning the BC Sprint and Met Mile the following year.