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Old 05-10-2008, 08:20 PM
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I think it's a mistake to get caught up in the fig. If Throat is correct and there is a split varient it was still a fine performance by Casino Drive. These were not top quality horses he faced today but he was impressive in how he defeated the competition. Especially since it was his 2nd career race and first race in the US. He looks like a real racehorse with upside potential and should give Big Brown a challenge should the big horse take care of business next week.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:28 PM
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also answered the question of whether casino drive would handle the belmont surface.
i doubt the small field some felt would materialize in a few weeks will really occur, much like the preakness is shaping up much larger than originally thought.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:34 PM
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also answered the question of whether casino drive would handle the belmont surface.

Come on.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:36 PM
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Come on.
what? i've always been under the impression that some don't like it. of course, he may not like it much when the water gets deeper!!
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:49 PM
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what? i've always been under the impression that some don't like it. of course, he may not like it much when the water gets deeper!!

Funny, I've always been under the impression that dirt is dirt, and mostly when you hear " he didn't like the track " in these situations it is the usual trainerspeak BS.
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Funny, I've always been under the impression that dirt is dirt, and mostly when you hear " he didn't like the track " in these situations it is the usual trainerspeak BS.
but then you have horses for courses, so who knows?
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:54 PM
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but then you have horses for courses, so who knows?
Maybe you have horses for courses. I don't.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:52 PM
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like "id allways hoped in my dreams he would."........barf bag needed........
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:55 PM
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Funny, I've always been under the impression that dirt is dirt, and mostly when you hear " he didn't like the track " in these situations it is the usual trainerspeak BS.
The last half is DEAD ON.

I think even the layman can tell when a horse isn't handling a particular track by the way it's striding.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:56 PM
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The last half is DEAD ON.

I think even the layman can tell when a horse isn't handling a particular track by the way it's striding.
war pass tampa..nuff siad
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Old 05-10-2008, 09:09 PM
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Funny, I've always been under the impression that dirt is dirt, and mostly when you hear " he didn't like the track " in these situations it is the usual trainerspeak BS.
The hell it is.
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Old 05-10-2008, 09:16 PM
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Here's a crazy thought. If the Japanese come for the Belmont and send it in like they did for El Condor Pasa in the Arc a few years ago, could Casino Drive be favored in the Belmont over a Big Brown going for a Triple Crown sweep?

Also, I'm sure the trainer's phone was ringing off the hook immediately after the race, with agents looking to secure the mount. Any sense as to whether they will use an American rider or will Take come for the ride (assuming Desormeaux may be otherwise tied up)?
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Old 05-10-2008, 09:25 PM
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Not to get in the middle of this great debate but I wanted to throw my opinion in. I think it is absolutely great that the japanese brought this colt over to try and win '3 in a row' with siblings. Purses are much larger over there and just think it is sporting of them to come over and try it out.

Unless I don't know what the real reason is....
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Old 05-10-2008, 09:28 PM
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Not to get in the middle of this great debate but I wanted to throw my opinion in. I think it is absolutely great that the japanese brought this colt over to try and win '3 in a row' with siblings. Purses are much larger over there and just think it is sporting of them to come over and try it out.
Unless I don't know what the real reason is....
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Old 05-10-2008, 09:29 PM
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Is the moon full tonight?
Why, I am doing some homework and just wanted to comment. Think it is cool that is all...

I bet the damn 3 horse in that race and didn't have the exacta, moronic....
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Old 05-10-2008, 09:46 PM
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Purses are much larger over there and just think it is sporting of them to come over and try it out.
From a breeding perspective I'm sure he'd be worth much more if he won some big races over here than in Japan. . . The purses there are huge but the competition is weak(er) and the breeding industry isn't as big. . .
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Old 05-11-2008, 06:34 AM
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NYRA will need to provide windows with Japanese speaking clerks-otherwise the betting on the day will go into meltdown.

I reckon there were 10,000 Japanese who went to Longchamp to see Deep Impact. Longchamp provided 2 windows for Japanese bettors. Average length of each line was 200 during the day-possibly peaking at around 500.

Combine that with a possible Triple Crown attempt by Big Brown-thousands of 1st time bettors and once a year people...plus any protestors outside or inside the track....
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Old 05-11-2008, 08:42 AM
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NYRA will need to provide windows with Japanese speaking clerks-otherwise the betting on the day will go into meltdown.

I reckon there were 10,000 Japanese who went to Longchamp to see Deep Impact. Longchamp provided 2 windows for Japanese bettors. Average length of each line was 200 during the day-possibly peaking at around 500.

Combine that with a possible Triple Crown attempt by Big Brown-thousands of 1st time bettors and once a year people...plus any protestors outside or inside the track....
You think 10K Japanese strong are going to make a trip halfway around the world to watch and bet on a horse who made one career start over there?

I know they tend to be pretty obsessed with the sport and love to bet - but I doubt that horse built a huge fan base with a single odds-on maiden win.

Last year's 2-year-old champion in Japan came from a juvenile sale here - and they bought up many excellent athletes at juvenile sales this year - most of which I assume will be sent over there. I guess that is what happens when the value of the American dollar tanks.

Major stallions and top horses A.P. Indy, Unbridled's Song, and Fusaichi Pegasus all had a big chance to go to Japan and race - none of which did. Tomo Tsuramaki and Fusao Sekaguchi kept A. P. Indy and Fu Peg here - probably because both were outright Keeneland July Select yearling sales toppers - where UBS was, at the time, the most expensive horse ever purchased from a 2yo in training sale - but the day after the sale they found "a flake" in his ankle and the sale was voided.
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Old 05-11-2008, 08:48 AM
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There was a noticeable number of Japanese at Belmont yesterday..
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Old 05-11-2008, 08:50 AM
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There was a noticeable number of Japanese at Belmont yesterday..
I think I'm turning Japanese
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