Casino Drive

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Haven't posted here in awhile, but I had to after Casino Drive.......although why am I not surprised that he didn't get that good of a Beyer ? Wouldn't you think that running 1:47 and change would be sufficient for at least triple digits?

I think the horse needs to go for the "IMPLANT" Beyer. I'm sure the connections can afford it.

[pick4]

I think it's a mistake to get caught up in the fig. If Throat is correct and there is a split varient it was still a fine performance by Casino Drive. These were not top quality horses he faced today but he was impressive in how he defeated the competition. Especially since it was his 2nd career race and first race in the US. He looks like a real racehorse with upside potential and should give Big Brown a challenge should the big horse take care of business next week.

[Danzig]

also answered the question of whether casino drive would handle the belmont surface.
i doubt the small field some felt would materialize in a few weeks will really occur, much like the preakness is shaping up much larger than originally thought.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Danzig

also answered the question of whether casino drive would handle the belmont surface.

Come on.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Come on.

what? i've always been under the impression that some don't like it. of course, he may not like it much when the water gets deeper!!

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what? i've always been under the impression that some don't like it. of course, he may not like it much when the water gets deeper!!

Funny, I've always been under the impression that dirt is dirt, and mostly when you hear " he didn't like the track " in these situations it is the usual trainerspeak BS.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Funny, I've always been under the impression that dirt is dirt, and mostly when you hear " he didn't like the track " in these situations it is the usual trainerspeak BS.

but then you have horses for courses, so who knows?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

like "id allways hoped in my dreams he would."........barf bag needed........

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Funny, I've always been under the impression that dirt is dirt, and mostly when you hear " he didn't like the track " in these situations it is the usual trainerspeak BS.

The last half is DEAD ON.

I think even the layman can tell when a horse isn't handling a particular track by the way it's striding.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Funny, I've always been under the impression that dirt is dirt, and mostly when you hear " he didn't like the track " in these situations it is the usual trainerspeak BS.

The hell it is.

[Scav]

Not to get in the middle of this great debate but I wanted to throw my opinion in. I think it is absolutely great that the japanese brought this colt over to try and win '3 in a row' with siblings. Purses are much larger over there and just think it is sporting of them to come over and try it out.

Unless I don't know what the real reason is....

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Scav

Not to get in the middle of this great debate but I wanted to throw my opinion in. I think it is absolutely great that the japanese brought this colt over to try and win '3 in a row' with siblings. Purses are much larger over there and just think it is sporting of them to come over and try it out.
Unless I don't know what the real reason is....

Is the moon full tonight?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Scav

Purses are much larger over there and just think it is sporting of them to come over and try it out.

From a breeding perspective I'm sure he'd be worth much more if he won some big races over here than in Japan. . . The purses there are huge but the competition is weak(er) and the breeding industry isn't as big. . .

[saratogabrit]

NYRA will need to provide windows with Japanese speaking clerks-otherwise the betting on the day will go into meltdown.

I reckon there were 10,000 Japanese who went to Longchamp to see Deep Impact. Longchamp provided 2 windows for Japanese bettors. Average length of each line was 200 during the day-possibly peaking at around 500.

Combine that with a possible Triple Crown attempt by Big Brown-thousands of 1st time bettors and once a year people...plus any protestors outside or inside the track....

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by saratogabrit

NYRA will need to provide windows with Japanese speaking clerks-otherwise the betting on the day will go into meltdown.

I reckon there were 10,000 Japanese who went to Longchamp to see Deep Impact. Longchamp provided 2 windows for Japanese bettors. Average length of each line was 200 during the day-possibly peaking at around 500.

Combine that with a possible Triple Crown attempt by Big Brown-thousands of 1st time bettors and once a year people...plus any protestors outside or inside the track....

You think 10K Japanese strong are going to make a trip halfway around the world to watch and bet on a horse who made one career start over there?

I know they tend to be pretty obsessed with the sport and love to bet - but I doubt that horse built a huge fan base with a single odds-on maiden win.

Last year's 2-year-old champion in Japan came from a juvenile sale here - and they bought up many excellent athletes at juvenile sales this year - most of which I assume will be sent over there. I guess that is what happens when the value of the American dollar tanks.

Major stallions and top horses A.P. Indy, Unbridled's Song, and Fusaichi Pegasus all had a big chance to go to Japan and race - none of which did. Tomo Tsuramaki and Fusao Sekaguchi kept A. P. Indy and Fu Peg here - probably because both were outright Keeneland July Select yearling sales toppers - where UBS was, at the time, the most expensive horse ever purchased from a 2yo in training sale - but the day after the sale they found "a flake" in his ankle and the sale was voided.

[Kasept]

There was a noticeable number of Japanese at Belmont yesterday..

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You think 10K Japanese strong are going to make a trip halfway around the world to watch and bet on a horse who made one career start over there?

I know they tend to be pretty obsessed with the sport and love to bet - but I doubt that horse built a huge fan base with a single odds-on maiden win.

Last year's 2-year-old champion in Japan came from a juvenile sale here - and they bought up many excellent athletes at juvenile sales this year - most of which I assume will be sent over there. I guess that is what happens when the value of the American dollar tanks.

Major stallions and top horses A.P. Indy, Unbridled's Song, and Fusaichi Pegasus all had a big chance to go to Japan and race - none of which did. Tomo Tsuramaki and Fusao Sekaguchi kept A. P. Indy and Fu Peg here - probably because both were outright Keeneland July Select yearling sales toppers - where UBS was, at the time, the most expensive horse ever purchased from a 2yo in training sale - but the day after the sale they found "a flake" in his ankle and the sale was voided.

Someone who posts on another board lives in Japan and follows Japanese racing - she also provides updates on Japanese horses, etc....... Apparently the man who owns Casino Drive is anxious to get in all the right circles (royalty, celebrity, etc.......) - he's also a sporting man and therefore it seems natural that he would point for the Belmont. I asked what she thought his plans for the colt would be after the Belmont (return to Japan for the Japan Dirt Cup, then point for a 4 year old campaign in the US? Stay in the US?) and even she's not sure. I hope the owner does not try to point CD to only the biggest races in the world and show up for the Arc just to get into high -class circles.........he's not exactly bred for turf and he could be a fun horse to watch in the US.

If I recall, AP Indy's owner (Tsurumaki) bought another yearling besides Indy - turned out to be AP Jet. AP Jet was sent to Japan because he was more precocious - lucky for US racing and breeding that Indy was later developing. He was also not interested in breeding at all, which is why he remained in the US for his stud career. I'm not sure the owner of Casino Drive has enough of a track record for us to make any kind of determination as to the colt's future.