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Old 05-07-2008, 09:28 PM
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The more I see figures made, the more I realize they are less impartial fact and truth, but more simply educated opinion.
..especially when you hear figure makers/proponents say things like "It's 90% science, and 10% art." Well, if it's only 90% science, it's actually 0% science. Like in tennis. A ball that is 99% out is 100% in.
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Old 05-07-2008, 10:33 PM
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..especially when you hear figure makers/proponents say things like "It's 90% science, and 10% art." Well, if it's only 90% science, it's actually 0% science. Like in tennis. A ball that is 99% out is 100% in.
There is a 75% probability that 84% of the board understands 60% of this thread.
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Old 05-07-2008, 10:38 PM
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There is a 75% probability that 84% of the board understands 60% of this thread.
unless they give 110%.
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Old 05-08-2008, 03:42 PM
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The what?
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Old 05-08-2008, 07:02 PM
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After the initial phase of establishing a base figure from the running times (+/- variant effect), there are nuances that each individual figure maker may utilize in their formulation. Weight, ground loss, wind effect, etc., can make up the 10% 'art' if you're allowing for the 90% science.
It's that 10% "art" that makes all figures, in the end, highly-educated opinions.

If a calculated number comes back that seems off in the opinion and experience of the figure maker, it's adjusted. That makes a human mind and opinion the final assessment of a performance to ensure the figures make logical sense. That is opinion (granted, an extremely experienced one).

Figure makers will even adjust previously given numbers weeks later based upon subsequent performance - so the figures within a PP fit their experienced perceptions of the quality of the previous and subsequent performances of the field.

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When Jerry Brown wrote that the Derby was relatively easy to make figures for, he means that once he established a fig for the top two finishers,
As soon as the race finished, before he even looked at the figures, didn't he announce it was the best Derby figure earned by a horse, ever? Rags disagrees (I think), Beyer disagrees.

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Figures are never "an educated opinion",
Guess we'll just have to disagree. I think figures are obviously always a highly educated opinion. Handicappers choose which opinion they think most accurate (TG, Sheets, Beyer, etc) and there are still guys that make their own.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:52 PM
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..especially when you hear figure makers/proponents say things like "It's 90% science, and 10% art." Well, if it's only 90% science, it's actually 0% science. Like in tennis. A ball that is 99% out is 100% in.
No wonder I never liked tennis... that and the running.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:32 AM
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whoa Monba has gone 22...2....24 lol what kind of nifty pattern is that.
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Old 05-08-2008, 05:46 AM
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whoa Monba has gone 22...2....24 lol what kind of nifty pattern is that.
That is the polytrack is not close to dirt pattern.
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Old 05-08-2008, 07:20 AM
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Anybody get the impression the inside was not really the place to be on Saturday at Churchill?
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Anybody get the impression the inside was not really the place to be on Saturday at Churchill?
No doubt, the rail cost H lady the win IMO. Game Face came thru on it with a perfect trip but Keep the Peace was unlucky after getting carried 7 wide at the top of the stretch.
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Old 05-08-2008, 04:07 AM
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..especially when you hear figure makers/proponents say things like "It's 90% science, and 10% art." Well, if it's only 90% science, it's actually 0% science. Like in tennis. A ball that is 99% out is 100% in.
Not so, IMO. There are many areas that are not 100% science, but the science part is both real and important. Medicine, for one.

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