Curlin pointing to Arc??

[ddthetide]

who cares if curlin wins a race in europe or japan? looks more like an excuse not to run the horse anymore then they have too. jmo.

[hockey2315]

Because the Arc is one of the most prestigious races in the world. . . I like the fact that they're considering actually having a little fun with this horse rather than playing it safe and keeping him on dirt against overmatched opponents. I couldn't care less if he wins the Stephen Foster or the JCGC or maybe even the BC Classic with what his competition would most likely be. But for him to run in the Arc would bring some excitement to a sport that needs it right now.

[tiggerv]

Anything to keep Curlin running is fine with me.

[SundayStar]

if they're seriously considering the arc or japan cup, then he must really be strongly against running him on the fake stuff. the reason they're looking at the arc or japan cup is the $$$$$. those two races have the biggest purses this fall outside of the bc classic and they have stated clearly that they want the all time earnings record.

Hmmph.

Am I the only one who thinks they're saying all of this to put pressure on the BC and Santa Anita to install a dirt surface?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Hmmph.

Am I the only one who thinks they're saying all of this to put pressure on the BC and Santa Anita to install a dirt surface?

no

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Hmmph.

Am I the only one who thinks they're saying all of this to put pressure on the BC and Santa Anita to install a dirt surface?

How much would that cost?

[MaTH716]

What do you think would happen if Santa Anita announced tomorrow that they were going back to a dirt track? Does the plan change, or do they continue to prepare for a race overseas?
Coach you beat me to it!

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by SundayStar

if they're seriously considering the arc or japan cup, then he must really be strongly against running him on the fake stuff. the reason they're looking at the arc or japan cup is the $$$$$. those two races have the biggest purses this fall outside of the bc classic and they have stated clearly that they want the all time earnings record.

It's not the money that he would win from the purse. Its what J Jackson would be able to set the stud fee at, would be the motive.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by SundayStar

if they're seriously considering the arc or japan cup, then he must really be strongly against running him on the fake stuff. the reason they're looking at the arc or japan cup is the $$$$$. those two races have the biggest purses this fall outside of the bc classic and they have stated clearly that they want the all time earnings record.

He's gonna get the earnings record regardless of where he goes in the fall..

[SundayStar]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

He's gonna get the earnings record regardless of where he goes in the fall..

not necessarily. he still has to win. and they don't just want to break the record. they want to win as much as possible; which of course means entering races with the richest purses.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by SundayStar

not necessarily. he still has to win. and they don't just want to break the record. they want to win as much as possible; which of course means entering races with the richest purses.

No one's gonna show up in the Stephen Foster, that's $450,000 right there, giving him $9.25 million. Whitney pays $450,000 for first, Woodward pays $300,000, Gold Cup pays $600,000. You don't think he has it sewn up barring injury?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Because the Arc is one of the most prestigious races in the world. . . I like the fact that they're considering actually having a little fun with this horse rather than playing it safe and keeping him on dirt against overmatched opponents.

I agree. He's bred to love the turf as well, so why not?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Because the Arc is one of the most prestigious races in the world. . . I like the fact that they're considering actually having a little fun with this horse rather than playing it safe and keeping him on dirt against overmatched opponents. I couldn't care less if he wins the Stephen Foster or the JCGC or maybe even the BC Classic with what his competition would most likely be. But for him to run in the Arc would bring some excitement to a sport that needs it right now.

Same thinking I had about GZ. Not that it was a good thing to see him retire but the prospect of watching him beat up on the same group of horses over and over if he stayed around the rest of the year was boring.

[AlexP]

The one thing I'm curious about if they did go to the Arc is if they'd go for one of those preps beforehand. Asmussen has said multiple times Curlin does better in his second race at a track, which is why they went to Dubai for a prep. However, I could understand not doing it, because of reasons stated before (win races here on a surface you know he likes, then you lose nothing if he does bad in the Arc).

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by AlexP

The one thing I'm curious about if they did go to the Arc is if they'd go for one of those preps beforehand. Asmussen has said multiple times Curlin does better in his second race at a track, which is why they went to Dubai for a prep. However, I could understand not doing it, because of reasons stated before (win races here on a surface you know he likes, then you lose nothing if he does bad in the Arc).

The exact reason why I had no problem with George Washington coming here for the Classic instead of the Mile. What would winning the Mile have done for him?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

who cares if curlin wins a race in europe or japan? looks more like an excuse not to run the horse anymore then they have too. jmo.

So you'd rather see him beat up on Better Than Bonds and Magna Graduate and Wanderin Boy all year than see him go try the best turf horses in the world in one of the most prestigious races on earth for a shot at immortality?

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So you'd rather see him beat up on Better Than Bonds and Magna Graduate and Wanderin Boy all year than see him go try the best turf horses in the world in one of the most prestigious races on earth for a shot at immortality?

don't get me wrong, i root for curlin but immortal is pushing it abit. he's only run 10 times. 3rd in the derby, 2nd in the belmont, 3rd in the haskill. the BC and dubai are his biggest wins. he'll get the earnings record because the purses are so much bigger. he's a really nice horse but not one of the greats. if they are tring to make a legend then run him in the US so people here can see him. i just don't get excited by international racing. his stud value can't get much if any higher.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

don't get me wrong, i root for curlin but immortal is pushing it abit. he's only run 10 times. 3rd in the derby, 2nd in the belmont, 3rd in the haskill. the BC and dubai are his biggest wins. he'll get the earnings record because the purses are so much bigger. he's a really nice horse but not one of the greats. if they are tring to make a legend then run him in the US so people here can see him. i just don't get excited by international racing. his stud value can't get much if any higher.

He'll never even be close to a legend with a BC Classic, a Preakness, and a Dubai World Cup on his resume. Add in the Arc and the Japan Cup and he's suddenly in unprecedented company. Winning the Foster, Whitney, and JCGC do nothing for his legacy.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

don't get me wrong, i root for curlin but immortal is pushing it abit. he's only run 10 times. 3rd in the derby, 2nd in the belmont, 3rd in the haskill. the BC and dubai are his biggest wins. he'll get the earnings record because the purses are so much bigger. he's a really nice horse but not one of the greats. if they are tring to make a legend then run him in the US so people here can see him. i just don't get excited by international racing. his stud value can't get much if any higher.

When there is a top class Irish horse, there is nothing that makes me prouder seeing him/her going round the world winning top races....