Big Brown Beyer 109

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Street Sense is not nor will ever be as talented as Big Brown. I loved Street Sense the race horse.

Street Sense has run faster then Big Brown at this point in his career, but that has nothing to do with talent

You are making statements that so far are not correct. Well see how it plays out but Curlin and Street Sense were separated by a nose, I don't see Big Brown in their class as of yet, certainly not on figures and on pure talent its debatable.

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Street Sense has run faster then Big Brown at this point in his career, but that has nothing to do with talent

You are making statements that so far are not correct. Well see how it plays out but Curlin and Street Sense were separated by a nose, I don't see Big Brown in their class as of yet, certainly not on figures and on pure talent its debatable.

Again, Street Sense earned a PF of -52 in winning last year's Derby, Big Brown got a -68, I don't recall any race of SS's that earned a -89 like BB did in his Fla Derby. I haven't seen anything official yet but hear rumors that TG may give BB's Derby a -5...I don't have to tell anyone where that would place the race! Street Sense had accomplished more obviously as BCJ winner but to say he was faster simply isn't true, SS would have been neck and neck with Eight Belles and the filly had trouble twice!

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again, Street Sense earned a PF of -52 in winning last year's Derby, Big Brown got a -68, I don't recall any race of SS's that earned a -89 like BB did in his Fla Derby. I haven't seen anything official yet but hear rumors that TG may give BB's Derby a -5...I don't have to tell anyone where that would place the race! Street Sense had accomplished more obviously as BCJ winner but to say he was faster simply isn't true, SS would have been neck and neck with Eight Belles and the filly had trouble twice!

I am not using those figures but the Beyer figures, also on CJ's figures he is faster at this point as well.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Street Sense has run faster then Big Brown at this point in his career, but that has nothing to do with talent

You are making statements that so far are not correct. Well see how it plays out but Curlin and Street Sense were separated by a nose, I don't see Big Brown in their class as of yet, certainly not on figures and on pure talent its debatable.

I am not saying Street Sense wasn't faster in his 7 or 8th race vs. Big Brown 3rd or 4th.. Look I am far from making him the greatest ever. If the horse would have won buy 8 lengths would that have had more indication of how talented he is? I think he won as well as any colt could have given his stats... 4 races only 1 as a two year old on the grass no less and he had never rated in a race and does with complete ease from a ridiculous starting position. At this stage in there development I am pretty sure Street sense would have found the above to difficult to overcome

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I am not saying Street Sense wasn't faster in his 7 or 8th race vs. Big Brown 3rd or 4th.. Look I am far from making him the greatest ever. If the horse would have won buy 8 lengths would that have had more indication of how talented he is? I think he won as well as any colt could have given his stats... 4 races only 1 as a two year old on the grass no less and he had never rated in a race and does with complete ease from a ridiculous starting position. At this stage in there development I am pretty sure Street sense would have found the above to difficult to overcome

I buy that he may develope a bit, but I associate 115-120 beyer figures with good horses, let along "freaks"

doesn't anyone remember much better horses then this losing in the Preakness? Fortunately for him its hard to find any Red Bullets in this group.

[The Bid]

If Spectacular Bid can lose a TC bid, then this horse can

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Originally Posted by The Bid

If Spectacular Bid can lose a TC bid, then this horse can

Absolutely...you need talent, health and luck....Big Brown has the talent, the "racing gods" determine the rest! But after Saturday, I'm not gonna bet against BB!