News flash to Calvin Borel...

[Antitrust32]

I was pissed when he was last on the backstreach.. F'in calvin, just because you did it with street sense last year doesnt mean it will work with DoC... hes not even a deep closer more of a stalker..

With all due respect going to Eight Belles and her terrific race, I think DoC was the 2nd best horse in the race. Granted I'm biased because I wagered around DoC

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I was pissed when he was last on the backstreach.. F'in calvin, just because you did it with street sense last year doesnt mean it will work with DoC... hes not even a deep closer more of a stalker..

With all due respect going to Eight Belles and her terrific race, I think DoC was the 2nd best horse in the race. Granted I'm biased because I wagered around DoC

Just because he was sitting 20th half the race? Uh no. If he was sent mid-pack he would've more than likely been in all sorts of traffic trouble. AND he more than likely wouldn't have had the dream rail trip down the stretch.

[cakes44]

Walking out of the gait and taking the left hand turn to start the race, giving up 5-6 lengths in the process hurt him more than anything.

Originally Posted by cakes44

The left hand turn to start the race and giving up 5-6 lengths in the process hurt him more than anything.

He made up for that with the rail trip down the stretch. What do you want Calvin to do from the 16 hole? Send him and get pinned wide around the first turn?

It was the absolute right move for that type of horse and it paid off. It was his best race yet. He had absolutely no shot of beating Big Brown.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He managed to get to the rail before the 3/16ths pole while starting from post #16.

I absolutely love the way he's ridden the Derby the last two years - going straight to the rail and picking his way through the inside of a 20 horse pack without ever losing momentum.

The problem is that the expected fast pace this year never developed - if it had - he might own the two single best rides in Derby history.

[philcski]

There's ridiculous and then there's this post. Oy vey.

[cakes44]

A couple thoughts for those who want to put me in the corner with the dunce hat on for my opinion:

1) Isn't there some spot in between "sending him" and spotting the entire field 3+ lenghts out of the gate?

2) Would we be defending him so staunchly if Liquidity doesn't miraculously give up the rail last year and Street Sense finishes a well-beaten 2nd?

All I'm saying is that he got very lucky last year(and so did I or anyone else who had him on top) with a rail-loving horse who had a much better turn of foot. Does that mean it is automatically the best choice of trips for DoC the next year? Not in my opinion.

[SniperSB23]

Calvin's ride was just fine. It was the decision to choose post 16 instead of post 2 that baffles me. If Calvin was just going to the rail like that anyways why the hell would you choose post 16?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He managed to get to the rail before the 3/16ths pole while starting from post #16.

I absolutely love the way he's ridden the Derby the last two years - going straight to the rail and picking his way through the inside of a 20 horse pack without ever losing momentum.

The problem is that the expected fast pace this year never developed - if it had - he might own the two single best rides in Derby history.

The ride is fine......but I loath this horse in the Belmont, it would be nice if BB lost new week and we can get a full field in the belmont as I want to bet against DoC.

[MisterB]

If the plan was to ride the rail, why did the trainer and connections park his ass outside, when they could have chosen inside.

[Danzig]

horse finished third, beating 17 in the process, and it's not good enough? their plan worked, his resume will show 'hit the board in the gr 1 ky derby'. i don't know that calvin could have done ANYTHING to improve his finish position.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Walking out of the gait and taking the left hand turn to start the race, giving up 5-6 lengths in the process hurt him more than anything.

You need a geometry refresher. There is no way the horse lost that many lengths, and then he saved several by being on the rail.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

IDoC... hes not even a deep closer more of a stalker..

Wasn't his best race the Southwest Stakes, a one mile race that saw him nearly 20 lengths out of it down the backstretch?

He also came from practically dead last in his maiden race.

[AeWingnut]

He was able to beat my horse out of the show money

I believe they wanted Calvin to give them that trip.