Cleveland Indians

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Poor fielding is poor fielding no matter when it may happen.




And I am among legion who believe him to be a poor fielder.

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Ah wonder if sitting his ass down last night was a way of rewarding him for fielding excellence?

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Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

Ah wonder if sitting his ass down last night was a way of rewarding him for fielding excellence?

Cabrera has sat down plenty of games this year as well...as I mentioned. That is what Wedge does this year. Garko finally sat two nights ago...Hafner sat last night. In Cabrera's case I would guess it has more to do with him hitting under his weight thus far as opposed to defense...Garko and Hafner as well. No one is really playing well this year batting other than Martinez and Sizemore. I think the sittings have been distributed amongst everyone. I would think you would know that following the team and all...but I guess not.

But again facts don't really matter when you have bombast. I'm guessing despite the Peralta benching last night, Carroll won't be a full time player this year. He is giving both Peralta AND Cabrera nights off now and then when they are struggling as both Peralta AND CAbrera have been doing this year offensively as has the rest of the team minus Martinez and Sizemore.

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It just so happens Here'sJhonny sat after expressing parting is such sweet sorrow to ground balls.


But of course..that's just a coincidence.

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Funny thing about the game Tuesday...Peralta was much worse with the stick than the glove...he came up with a truckload of men on base with one and two outs and nary a clutch hit with DPs etc...he got not one man in. His bat was a much bigger factor in the loss than his glove. I would think following the team and all you would be able to figure these things out. My guess is his sitting last night had much more to do with that than his defense as run scoring has been a much bigger issue this year than defense on the team.

Peralta is not a great player and never was and never will be. He certainly is far from the lone INdian struggling this year on offense however.

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Well there you go again...as per usual. Bringing in 78 other topics to cover you ineptitude in debating the only one I have been talking about.



He is an abysmal fielder at the most crucial position in fair territory.

You say he is at WORST an acceptable def. ss.



Somehow flagman on I-90 disagree with you.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

Well there you go again...as per usual. Bringing in 78 other topics to cover you ineptitude in debating the only one I have been talking about.



He is an abysmal fielder at the most crucial position in fair territory.

You say he is at WORST an acceptable def. ss.



Somehow flagman on I-90 disagree with you.

I debated it thoroughly and you had ZERO response. I brought numbers to justify it. I compared his tortoise range to a SS with excellent range and how much it cost them. It does cost...but not as much as you think. AGain, I bring up Jeter as another bad range SS on a team that wins. Obviously a great range shortstop is not necessary to win in MLB. Obviously, you want a great defensive shortstop, but it does not keep you from winning. I woudl humbly submit to you the INdians did not lose the ALCS becuase Peralta can't field...they lost because their pitching fell apart.

I debated the Peralta defense topic SOLELY and you had no response to any fact I offered.

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My response has always been the same....he is a poor fielding ss primarily because he has no range and no desire to charge grounders.

You rely on "stats" ( which,by the way , you once told me I shouldn't use because they were useless) that are hung on opinion.......many,many of us knowledgeable people need only to see what he does in the field to have seen more than enough of this klutz.

[horseofcourse]

And again, following the team you should know Peralta is playing becuase of his offense and his potential to hit 25-30 home runs and thinking he should be a .270-.280 hitter. Whether he ever does that, is questionable, but that is the thought by the front office. As I wrote in my post on how much his poor defense really costs them, it ain't much. You think front offices don't crunch these numbers as well??? Jeter is just as bad if not worse than Peralta and yet he still plays and the Yankees are always in post season. Jeter is a .300 plus hitter yearly and is a terrific offensive player. What he does with the bat makes up for his tortoise range. What is Wedge upset about this year?? Horrible at bats...by everyone. Again, that is the struggle. Peralta was the killer Tuesday with men in scoring posiition. Beleive me, WEdge was more upset with his at bats than if he let a random ball get into left field after the game was already blown by Betancourt.

Facts my man. They exist.

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Now think...how many facts ..true facts....did you just post?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

Now think...how many facts ..true facts....did you just post?

I think the INdias front office expect what I gave offensively from Peralta. It is a fact Peralta had a horrible offensive night Tuesday. It is a fact Jeter does not have any range at all. It is a fact Jeter is a perennial .300 plus hitter and a very good offensive player. It is a fact WEdge is upset by horrible at bats this year...he has stated it after several games. The Yankees have been in postseason 13 straight years I believe?

Pretty much everything stated in that post is an undisputed fact. Other than the fact that I made up what the INdians expect from Peralta offensively. I just estimated what they want. And what I estimated is about right I think.