NYC Cops aquitted

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by Danzig

mmmmmm, i don't know man. as for shooting the tires out, that's a high risk deal there too. car goes out of control, or hits them anyway. you've not doubt seen high speed chases, where all four tires on a car are flattened, and the car keeps going and going like the dammed energizer bunny. cops have a lot more to worry about then 'hey, is this guy guilty or innocent?' what about bystanders, themselves-hesitation can be catastrophic. just think if they had handled this differently, and the guy hadn't been in the wrong place at the wrong time? you've got to remember, cops see the worst of society day in, and day out. you're staking out a place, it's four am, you see some guys get into a fight, and then have reason to think it's going to escalate. then you tell them to stop, and they do what? ignore you. it's not a good situation at all.
also, you get press for days and weeks when something goes wrong. but you never see all the times cops get it right, so perception is skewed.

and yes, absolutely it's a damn crying shame a guy lost his life, i absolutely agree about that.

I get what you are saying, I really do. But it is no excuse. We should expect better and demand better. There was no warning shots, and no verbal threat or physical threat made to them. These men did nothing wrong--nothing. And they get shot at 50x and one dies. As a society, we should demand better actions by our law enforcement.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by whodey17

I get what you are saying, I really do. But it is no excuse. We should expect better and demand better. There was no warning shots, and no verbal threat or physical threat made to them. These men did nothing wrong--nothing. And they get shot at 50x and one dies. As a society, we should demand better actions by our law enforcement.

but by the same token, while a cop is firing a warning shot, the guy facing off with him could be taking aim at his head.
i think most of the time, they do the right thing. sad thing is, just like here, if a mistake is made, someone can die. absolutely we have to try to never have that.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but by the same token, while a cop is firing a warning shot, the guy facing off with him could be taking aim at his head.
i think most of the time, they do the right thing. sad thing is, just like here, if a mistake is made, someone can die. absolutely we have to try to never have that.

Mistakes cannot happen. I am sorry--but they cant. Cops should always side on the side of caution--ALWAYS. They simply cannot open fire just because they thought he was reaching for a gun or whatever. People do not need to stop just because a cop says so. They need probable cause and they did not have any of this. Sad thing is that the witnesses are were drunk at the time so how on earth could they remember a thing.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by whodey17

I get what you are saying, I really do. But it is no excuse. We should expect better and demand better. There was no warning shots, and no verbal threat or physical threat made to them. These men did nothing wrong--nothing. And they get shot at 50x and one dies. As a society, we should demand better actions by our law enforcement.

We should demand better actions by our F'n citizens! You do warning shots in the movies and bars, not in the street!

If one reads the article in the NY times
it is pretty clear this one officer was not
trying to play I am the big bad cop.

NY has a very low rate of police actually
killing suspects. The victims were told to stop POLICE multiple
times. The victim probably did not believe the
cops were after him. Overall it is very unfortunate.
NY will have to look more closely at how
they approach this type of bizarre situation.

But it was clearly not a cowboy cop gone mad.
And the poor guy that got shot might very well
have thought some gang bangers or some criminal
types were after him.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

We should demand better actions by our F'n citizens! You do warning shots in the movies and bars, not in the street!

And what was the person doing to get shot? Nothing...he was minding his own business and he gets shot and dies. What else do you want from him?