Wow, how much is Dutrow wagering the first Saturday in May?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by philcski

But for anyone to claim there's been a better prep than the Florida Derby (which could have been a 113 Beyer, at that) they're fooling themselves.

Oh, there have been better preps than the Florida Derby this year for sure - just not a better performance by the winner.

If you look at what was fractured in behind him ... there wasn't much at all.

Though, Smooth Air and Tomcito both clearly had better trips than Big Brown did.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Oh, there have been better preps than the Florida Derby this year for sure - just not a better performance by the winner.

If you look at what was fractured in behind him ... there wasn't much at all.

Though, Smooth Air and Tomcito both clearly had better trips than Big Brown did.

Agree- however the race has been verified as the three runners that came back so far, Hey Byrn (won the Holy Bull), Nistle's Crunch (won an allowance @ KEE), and Tomcito (ran better than his Fl Derby figure despite finishing 6th), all have run acceptably well.

Let's face it, this is a putrid group. Colonel John would have finished 5th in the '05 SA Derby... and that was probably the worst SA Derby ever. And he's probably going to be the 2nd choice in the Derby...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by philcski

Agree- however the race has been verified as the three runners that came back so far, Hey Byrn (won the Holy Bull), Nistle's Crunch (won an allowance @ KEE), and Tomcito (ran better than his Fl Derby figure despite finishing 6th), all have run acceptably well.

Let's face it, this is a putrid group. Colonel John would have finished 5th in the '05 SA Derby... and that was probably the worst SA Derby ever. And he's probably going to be the 2nd choice in the Derby...

You can't use Nistle's Crunch, completely different circumstance...Hey Byrn beat a bunch of cows in that race, and I kinda agree that Tomcito is a crow

Bad example IMO, although I do like the winners out of a race angle.

But you are right, putrid is being kind I think....

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Scav

You can't use Nistle's Crunch, completely different circumstance...Hey Byrn beat a bunch of cows in that race, and I kinda agree that Tomcito is a crow
Bad example IMO, although I do like the winners out of a race angle.

But you are right, putrid is being kind I think....

They're ALL crows! What stellar field prep did I miss?!?

Pyro and maybe Z Fortune are the only other two horses I've seen make anything resembling a Derby winning run in this whole mess.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by philcski

They're ALL crows! What stellar field prep did I miss?!?

Pyro and maybe Z Fortune are the only other two horses I've seen make anything resembling a Derby winning run in this whole mess.

ok true....I am going to watch Z Fortune's race again and see what I saw, because I forgot....I looked his breeding the other day and starting to question that a little.

I mean, someone HAD to close into that pace last time, so it might have looked better then it was....To the replay cave

[Scav]

Alright, I just watched Z Fortune's race, he got a good trip I think but I have another concern, and I really can't tell because the video is kinda choppy

Was Gayego boreing in and out, or did Z Fortune bore in at about the sixteenth pole, looks like he took a real funny step or something, or was completely tired right about there.

He did finish up pretty well though, in front of Gayego......

He is going to get a real big number from TG, 4w5w...my guess is he might get the same number at Gayego actually....

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Scav

He is going to get a real big number from TG, 4w5w...my guess is he might get the same number at Gayego actually....

Scav, dude,

if he was two paths wider than Gayego on both turns - he will have given away 4 lengths in ground on both Ragozin figures and TG figures.

He was beaten less than a length... and they both carried 122.

Whatever number the sheet makers come up with - rest assured Z Fortune's number will be a little more than 3 lengths faster than Gayego's number.